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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by earthdragon, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. TheWraith

    TheWraith Senior member

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    Probably not a bad thing.
     
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  2. Halifax

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    Is there a clothing company that doesn't use slaves?
     
  3. Oli2012

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    So long as the level of exploitation isn't extreme (eg exposure to toxins, need for suicide nets like apple has) I have no issue with lower wages in manufacturing companies.

    China might not be a model democracy, but it's GDP and general quality of life for its citizens has been lifted tremendously by industry, compared to some of the 'democratic' countries in Africa/India.
     
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  4. Prince of Paisley

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    Who makes money off a $50 pair of shoes? Once you factor in transport costs, raw materials, retail's cut, factory owner's cut, etc. how much is left for the people who made it out of the $50 sale price? You would have a hard time convincing me that most of the stuff at Target, Kmart etc. isn't the result of 'extreme exploitation'. It's super cheap for a reason - dignity costs money.
     
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  5. joiji

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    So I ended up researching into where I could get those flush metal toe plates that we keep seeing around the forum from places like Meermin, Vass, as the shoe-makers didn't seem to be able to supply them unless they were on a pair of shoes. I've found a supplier and am going to place an order, is anyone else interested in joining in?

    Image attached for clarity. If there's any interest I can flesh out pricing details.

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  6. Oli2012

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    The materials (low grade leather, Chinese cotton, chip board and polyester) would be cheap, especially considering the buying power of the companies.

    No money goes into design, and the transport costs are largely waived from low tariffs and government subsidies.

    Admittedly, a lot of the practices that happen overseas are less than ideal. That said, I don't think the immigrants in Italy or America producing goods are highly paid uni graduates with health care and an hour lunch break either.
     
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    Fxh, relating to your post a few days back, is it unwise to let shirts sit in a bucket of water for more than a few days?

    Also in general guys, can someone confirm that shoulder bags/ shoulder straps are bad for a canvassed suit shoulder?
     
  8. Journeyman

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    I'd be interested, but also a bit wary at the same time. Once you've got the toe plates, do you think that you'll be able to find a place that will be happy to fit them - and able to fit them competently - if you provide them with the toe plates??
     
  9. Prince of Paisley

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    So the slaves work further up the supply chain... Phew, now I can relax in my plastic shoes!


    What are you talking about? It still costs money to ship stuff from anywhere to anywhere. And that cost is rising everyday with the oil price and the increase in global trade volumes. And name me one government that is currently providing an import subsidy scheme for clothing? Bottom line is the cost of getting the products to market is a very high proportion of the minute cost you pay as the consumer of these cheap goods.


    Don't believe I ever said they were... Then again they earn more than a dollar a day, or 1 rupee per pair of shoes. What I'm talking about is virtual slavery, where garment workers are paid below even the measly official minimum wages, workers have no rights, and child labour is common. These practices are rife, particularly in the Subcontinent. Sorry to get on my high horse but it pays to think before you buy that $4 shirt from Kmart about what the true price is and who is really paying it. You're getting a bargain but somebody is getting screwed somewhere. Nothing is for nothing.

    /rant.
     
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    Herring Drakes arrived, quite happy with the oxblood colour and the quality seems great. Certainly the most I've spent on a pair of shoes to date, looking forward to getting home and investigating them a bit further as at this stage I'm not 100% sure the quality difference between say loake 1880 and these was necessarily worth it (for me) although perhaps that value that's missing for me is in how well they wear - and wear in overtime - as I haven't had a good chance to test that being at work and all. Either way pretty happy.
     
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    I have raised metal toe taps on all my dress shoes and I have yet to notice them, which suggests to me that the difference between flush and raised would be only marginal and not worth such effort.
     
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    Those shoes won't work with denim, maybe chinos


    Yes, it will ruin your jacket


    The difference is actually that the flush taps sit all the way to the edge and the raise taps still allow for some roll at the tip
     
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    I think there's an onus on us to really be better global citizens about this stuff. I don't know about you, but I can't make a pair of trousers, and if I could, I have a pretty good idea about how little I'd be willing to be paid if I made them for somewhere else. That's why I buy my traousers from Howard Yount and not from Tarocash (well, one of the reasons anyway).

    Not that paying a high-price on a garment guarantees that it's been ethically manufactured; to be honest I think pricing segmentation has really warped our idea of what clothing is worth and what we're willing to pay for it. On the one hand, there are retailers like Zara and H&M driving fast, disposable fashion, turning what used to be a consumer durable into a one-use product, while at the same time high-fashion brands are selling the same goods at incredible mark-ups. Is it really surprising that people have no real barometer to judge what a piece of clothing is worth?

    I don't see an issue with Chinese workers being paid dollars a day to do a safe factory job that means they don't have to work as subsitence farmers, that's upward mobility, but we shouldn't expect that such low labour costs are anything other than a transitionary state helping to pull these societies up to our level, at which point we'll have to go back to paying what we would expect to be paid. We also shouldn't accept it if it means people are being endangered by working these jobs like they are in Bangladesh.

    If that means buying fewer suits and shirts every year, so be it. My wardrobe doesn't have the room anyway.
     
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    Well said Superfudge.
     
  16. DartagnanRed

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    Can we add public servants to this list?
     
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    This. That said, I wish there was more of a middle ground of Chinese produced, high quality basics - like the Toyota of the clothing world.


    Public servants are the people I respect the most in our society. Nobody deals with shit like our ambos, nurses, teachers and police do - they deserve every cent they get.
     
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    Well, I'd be in real trouble if that were the case!



    Ah, but what about public servants who are lawyers?!?!?
     
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    Why we bothering when the cobbler can provide the toe plates and do the job in one go?
     
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    Congraz, the quality difference will never justify the price difference, but the difference is there, how they wear is dependant on the last how they fit your feet, not the quality of leather and workmanship, since Loake isn't a cheap shoemaker by any means.
     
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