Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by earthdragon, Nov 18, 2008.
Even the beige is quite nice - except it doesn't have patch pockets.
Romp - what is the point length on your dress shirts eg http://www.owenandjames.com/collections/shirts/products/the-white-shirt ? Ta
The price you're willing to pay is where your problem lies.
I could elaborate or put it more nicely or whatever, but it's the primary reason (IMO, of course) that many of the "where can I find...?" questions on this thread are asked in the first instance. Usually, people know what they like, just that it's made by Rubinacci, or Kiton, or sometimes PJohnson, and they want to find it for less money. I've asked the same.
At the end of the day, there's some compromise to be made. The Metro cotton is on sale for $350 or something like that, brand new. That's a lot of money for some, not much for others. And even for those people for whom $350 isn't much money, it's a lot for clothes. This example could go on and on - point is, if you're going to have a specific set of requirements, often they'll only be satisfied by MTM or bespoke. You may spend more money, but if that gives you a greater sense of joy or satisfaction, then perhaps it's money well spent.
Experience does show .
The question I want to ask you, is whether you think the craftsmanship in the metro cotton is fairly valued at $350 - is it a fair price for the quality of the jacket?
For a novice like myself, it is very hard to workout value in a lot of the fine things in life: clothing, food, wine and furniture, just to name a few. Just like when I watch 'Collectors' on the ABC, an experienced auctioneer can pick up a clock built 60 years ago and say, 'I think a fair value for this clock is $x", where as I wouldn't have a clue at what a reasonable price is for that clock. Having a good sense of value takes years of purchasing experience, which I don't have. I could learn through trial and error, or I could ask someone who does know, politely.
That, and I would be interested in knowing how you wore your jacket and what you wore it with.
Just to add on to the above, that is part of the reason why I use Styleforum. One reason is to see different styles. Another reason is to see which clothing producers are producing quality clothing at a good price. MJ Bale was one spoken quite highly of - good quality at a reasonable price. Henry Carter is another. Yet to try O&J.
Michael Sy, I think you'll enjoy this from Ethan Newton:
What is luxury?
Relationships of substance and value with all the people in your world. The man who cuts your meat, grows your vegetables, fits your shoes, pulls your coffee.
Luxury is not being a slave to fashion, nor trend. Not shopping on sale, only to have more of what is not right. Luxury is having only in your life what is correct and right, and when the time is right.
Luxury is having an extra hour every day to read the paper, eat toast with your love before you leave the house, sit in a park at lunch and watch the grass grow. Even if it means you'll never drive an S-Class Mercedes or send your children to Knox.
What is value?
Value is paying 20 or 30 percent extra not to shop on sale. Value is the extra 50c it might cost to have a coffee that is truly superb, or the extra $30 a year you might tip your barista to remember that you like a single sugar and the milk extra hot.
Value isn't cheap. Value costs money, but it also costs time and consideration. Because if you value yourself, you don't skimp on what's important - time, quality, integrity.
It's one way of looking at things. It's the way Ethan looks at things, at least. Perhaps it's the right way, perhaps it's wrong. I don't know. Ethan's style of writing certainly romanticises it in such a way that it seems like the only conclusion. It's not. You have to decide what is/isn't fair
On the one occasion I wore the Metro cotton jacket, I wore a white t-shirt, the jacket (in blue) and jeans. But dress is as much about context as anything else. I work in an ad agency and have a very lax dress code. I don't even have to wear a collared shirt, unless I'm seeing a client, and even then it's not mandatory. Go figure. The more time I spend on StyleForum, the more I enjoy learning from those much more informed than I on the history of classic menswear (fxh, in particular, is very well informed and always helpful with offering constructive guidance). However, there's another side to the whole thing for me. I also think, 'fuck it' about "rules". I'm 25 years old. Sometimes, I wish I had known more about collar gap or shoulder divots at 19, but would it have added any real meaning to my life at that stage? Probably not. They're clothes and as much as we like them, they're just that. Clothes. Wear whatever you like, make "mistakes" and have fun.
thebrownman's last two posts are on point.
TBMs post from ethan has always resounded well with me.
Luxury for me is having a day off when others are at work, pouring an exceptional coffee or spending time with my wife and kid.
Value i think is different from person to person because everyone has their own criteria and "values".
Re sportscoat if you want sub $400 you may need to stick to thrifting or mainstream brands like a sportscraft if you havent found what you are after at mjbale or the bone. Nothing wrong with these if it fits. You can work towards a mtm or bespoke piece later in life
Ill measure these for you. What is your neck size?
Oh thanks. Think I'd be a 16. They look like 3".
Have taken a pic on my personal blog for you
Looks to be a tad over 3inch at 3.25inch point to collar band.
Went to sister's place BBQ, other fambly there - bro in unexpected from o/s (your area Pinky Jimmy) had a few drinks - oh time and enough people for a quick fambly sweep on cup - great idea FX.
I plonk in $5 each for me and Ms fx somehow.
I get 2nd Ms gets 3rd. She collects $15.
I'm down $10 - she's up $15.
As they say - Whats that about?
3 & 5/16ths
I'd love to spend $350 per jacket. I think I would have a good collection by now. I'm stuck with MTM and slow purchases (and it takes so much longer to actually get the product) because of sizing problems, unless I become one of these extreme SF bargain hunters who can snag near-new, perfectly-sized, high-end jackets and trousers on the bay for pennies.
I actually wouldn't mind doing that, but it takes such a long time to learn those skills, and I'm not sure how much suitable stuff would be out there anyway. Being a relative novice doesn't make things any easier, as I know some things (e.g. strong shoulders make me look dumb, most jacket waists are far too big) and I can dress okay with some things I've accumulated, but I don't know all the details that a keen online shopper would need to know.
Sportscraft have a couple of cotten linen half lined sports coats which appear versitile for both work and play. There is a linen/cotton navy which looks ok on.
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