Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by earthdragon, Nov 18, 2008.
Prof Bear - will you be budgeting for socks?
Hey Prof, that's great! I imagine it will be perfect for summer. I must clarify that my 'latest' P Johnson suit is my only P Johnson suit at this point You going for the peak lapels?
By the way, the material used for mine is Loro Piana Zelander Flower s120 3 ply weave indigo and myrtle berry if that helps.
it was 1955, patina and sprezz wasnt invented back then
I totally missed that!
It looks like atleast the imbalance has righted itself....
He probably did - the various bodies associated with Australian Wool back then - and even now perhaps - were awash with $. It is very likely he did travel to Italy.
Both the words "patina" and "sprezzatura" have been misunderstood, misinterpreted or appropriated by various forum posters.
Patina is normally taken to mean the effects or wear or aging - on some forums it comes to mean colourings applied to articles.
Castiglione used the word sprezzatura in the 1500s. The meaning of sprezzatura has been twisted on some forums to almost the opposite meaning as the original. In its Italian pronunciation the first part would have been as in SPRETTS not sprezz.
One of the reasons I posted the article from 1955 is I'm interested in how much or how little things change. Note how the writing style has that familiar resistance to being "told to dress well" and how at the same time it castigates Australian men for not dressing well. Not much changes in newspaper world. We still see versions of the same article taken out and slightly dusted off and "modernised" each year in newspapers.
Part of what I'm interested in is how the Australian Wool Industry has shot itself in the foot so often over the years.
I do like to see the idea of an "australian" style being raised in 1955
I'm trying to understand how this would work in the warmer months - travel to work with the jacket and vest and remove the jacket once you get into the office?
The vest in the same material as the suit (i.e. a three piece suit) or an odd vest?
Also, are you recommending a vest worn like this one:
I can't help you with how the vest would work in the hotter weather, but I very much prefer the style of the second waistcoat. While the first matches the hard line of the trousers, it just looks off to me.
Thats one way or carry vest and swap at work - or leave vest/s at work hanging, or just go vest , pants and tie.
The vest in the same material as the suit (i.e. a three piece suit) YES or an odd vest? NO
Top vest possible looks best without jacket. Squared off ends. Same material around the back of vest not the usual lining material. Gives its completed look when worn without jacket.
For anyone who's thinking of not paying?
or even a black turtle-neck - yeah baby.
But being bespoke, I can tell you the year it was made. Would you care to speculate?
Dunno I'd guess mid 50s.
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^^ I remember Jones was in a black suit and white shirt. Looked awful.
1984 by master cutter Ray Jordan.
The other one - the brown and rust POW - was for the same client from 1989.
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