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australia good suit on budget

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by dewy, Jun 24, 2007.

  1. Sator

    Sator Senior member

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    As for all other things I own, my watch was a gift from a friend who upgraded, my iPod was bought on mega staff discount night at DSE, my computer is a 2nd hand original Rev A. Apple iMac G5 (the first of the "post it note holder" ones). And I use a cheapo mobile cause I cant afford anything fancy. The Reasoning for the $300 budget was that is all I have on me and now is the time the sales are on.

    I also have a G5, albeit a PowerMac. An iMac G5 is nothing to be ashamed of IMHO.

    If you were equally thrifty with a suit you would own something like a Corneliani or Brooks Brothers Golden Fleece thrifted off eBay for about $300 (new or near new). But be careful with buying off eBay - you have to know your stuff before going down this route. There are masses of dodgy Chinese suits with phoney Italian names on eBay (just as DJ and Myer are full of 'em). That means spending some time mining the archives here and at AAAC to arm yourself up with plenty of knowledge.

    AlanC always amazes me on this Forum. I think he once posted that he had never paid more than about $100 USD for a sportcoat and in all of the pics he has posted he is sufficiently well dressed that he would look perfectly presentable beside those forumites who have their bespoke clothing hand made in Naples. You have to be very knowledgeable about clothing to be as thrifty a buyer as he, but he shows that it can be done. All you need is a bit of ingenuity. As with buying a good second hand car - it pays to know what is going on under the bonnet to avoid being stuck with a lemon.
     
  2. meister

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    CEO is the go according to my alterations guy who knows
     
  3. Sator

    Sator Senior member

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    Just wondering what different matrials mean etc? I posted on another forum about the fact I had purchased a red microfibre shirt (only red shirt I could find and I have been looking on and off for the last year) and all I got was comments about microfibre being the matrial of a used car salesman and photos of weird guys wearing funny string tie shirts. Is this the case, what are the different materials, what should I steer clear of/stick to etc?


    Try to stick with natural fibres ie wool. Usually that means good 'ol Aussie (or failing that Kiwi) wool too, even if it has been milled in the UK or Italy. No microfibre, no polyester etc, just 100% wool will do.

    If you are based in QLD, then you might want to look out for things like cool wool. Wool/mohair blends are also great in the heat but within your budget range you are probably going to be restricted to 100% wool. Any synthetic fibre component eg microfibre, polyester, nylon etc will further reduce the breathability of the fabric and make it run hot and sweaty.

    There is also no need to buy any of the Super wools, as it is a marketing gimmick. It will only add expense to your suit.
     
  4. Homme

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    I'd also recommend ebay - your $300 will buy you a better suit than what you could get in an Aussie store for that much.

    Before you go the ebay route, take a tape measure into a myer or DJs, find a coat that fits you well (have a look at the WAYWT thread, and threads where people ask for critiques of their suit fit for an idea of how it should fit), then measure it (these instructions from A Harris are very good). The size on a tag can be misleading - once you know your measurements you'll find it alot easier to judge if a suit will fit you well.
     
  5. Sator

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    CEO is the go according to my alterations guy who knows

    They have a store in downtown Sydney. Again, they are stiffly fused (and IIRC in somewhere like China too). The fabrics are nothing special at all. You would be better off going for an Anthony Squire from DJs which is also fused but made in Australia, the last time I looked, with better quality fusing. Better quality fusing is less stiff than the cheapest and nastiest Chinese glue jobs. Ralph Lauren Blue Label similarly features better quality fusing (done in Italy by Corneliani IIRC).
     
  6. Matt

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    Squires is made in Fiji, comes out the same factories as Stafford Ellison.

    That said, I have a Decathlon by Squires suit (3 percent lycra thing) that is still one of my favorite travel suits, and is getting on 8 yrs old now.
     
  7. Zubberah

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    Honestly, do some homework and make sure you know your size and go via eBay if you're bold. Bargains a plenty. I just picked up a fully canvassed Made in Italy suit on eBay for US $356 that is new with tags that usually retails for $3,799 in Australia. But then I'm 40R and never bought a 40R that didn't fit me well (save for getting sleeves shortened by 1-1.5 inches). Not that I need another suit given I already have 32 but the Aussie dollar is strong and what is $450 Aussie on a great new fully canvassed designer suit?

    Or try and save. It would help a lot and the qualitative difference is worth it. Hell, I routinely spend way over $300+++ on Grand Cru red burgs and Bordeaux and they only last one hour of consumption! [​IMG]

    PS - One of 1st suits I ever bought many years ago was Studio Italia. Yes, fused, but lasted me 4 years and looked good.
     
  8. Homme

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    My first suit was also Studio Italia, a plain black pure wool 3 button that i bought for my year 12 formal in 2001. I still wear it to weddings/funerals.
     
  9. Corsair

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    The ideas on using ebay are pretty good. I hadn't thought of using it for suits. Anyone recommend sellers on ebay who they have had good experience with?
     
  10. Matt

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    How exactly does the return and re-buy thing work? Could you elaborate a little please?
    If Myer has highlighted its barcode, it means it is 'Quit Stock' - has to be gotten rid of before being sent off to the 'Good Buy Warehouse' outside Melbourne.

    So for the sake of round numbers, lets say that your suit is $400 at retail, and has a highlighted barcode, this means that it will be 25% off on the first 2 weeks of this sale - so you can buy it at $300 at that time.

    If stuff doesnt sell, it will go to 50% after those 2 weeks, and be half price for 2 more weeks, when if it still doesnt sell, it will be reduced to 75% off the last marked price. In this case, $100.

    Very little worth owning lasts to the 75% off stage...very very little. Normally just stuff that it really ugly and in really big or really small sizes.

    But if you buy your $400 suit at 25% off in the first week, pay $300, never wear it, and keep your receipt...then come back a month later and return it, they will refund you $300.

    Then you walk around to the other side of the counter, pick it up again, come back to the register and purchase it, it will only cost $100 now, as it will scan in at 75% off the original $400.

    Make sense?
     
  11. dewy

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    If Myer has highlighted its barcode, it means it is 'Quit Stock' - has to be gotten rid of before being sent off to the 'Good Buy Warehouse' outside Melbourne.

    So for the sake of round numbers, lets say that your suit is $400 at retail, and has a highlighted barcode, this means that it will be 25% off on the first 2 weeks of this sale - so you can buy it at $300 at that time.

    If stuff doesnt sell, it will go to 50% after those 2 weeks, and be half price for 2 more weeks, when if it still doesnt sell, it will be reduced to 75% off the last marked price. In this case, $100.

    Very little worth owning lasts to the 75% off stage...very very little. Normally just stuff that it really ugly and in really big or really small sizes.

    But if you buy your $400 suit at 25% off in the first week, pay $300, never wear it, and keep your receipt...then come back a month later and return it, they will refund you $300.

    Then you walk around to the other side of the counter, pick it up again, come back to the register and purchase it, it will only cost $100 now, as it will scan in at 75% off the original $400.

    Make sense?


    Yeah that makes sense to me, but will the guy on the checkout deny it? What reason do I give for returning it, my experience with returns of any sort is always a pissed off sales rep or manager and I'd have thought they would be really pissed if they do the return then you buy it again?

    By highlighted barcode does that mean it is highlighted with one of those highlighter markers that you'd use for studying or what ever?

    And would this "scheme" work with layby goods, say I put something on layby, come pick it up 2 weeks later, take it home for 2 weeks, return it, then do the re-buy thing? And how long will Myer allow you in their return period? I thought most places were 1-2 weeks?)
     
  12. Matt

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    Yeah that makes sense to me, but will the guy on the checkout deny it? What reason do I give for returning it, my experience with returns of any sort is always a pissed off sales rep or manager and I'd have thought they would be really pissed if they do the return then you buy it again?

    By highlighted barcode does that mean it is highlighted with one of those highlighter markers that you'd use for studying or what ever?

    And would this "scheme" work with layby goods, say I put something on layby, come pick it up 2 weeks later, take it home for 2 weeks, return it, then do the re-buy thing? And how long will Myer allow you in their return period? I thought most places were 1-2 weeks?)

    big department store staff seldom care if you return things - its not like they own it [​IMG] yup, they just run over them with a normal highlighter to make it easy for the staff to see what gets dumped in the Quit racks, the scanning system is preprogrammed with the quit bar code numbers, so it knows to scan it at the latest price. I have a feeling that they banned laybys on quit stock - the whole point of quit stock is to get it the hell out of the store, they dont want it hanging around in the layby area instead. I guess it is possible though, cant remember.
     
  13. neyus

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    Squires is made in Fiji, comes out the same factories as Stafford Ellison.

    That said, I have a Decathlon by Squires suit (3 percent lycra thing) that is still one of my favorite travel suits, and is getting on 8 yrs old now.


    Some of Anthony Squires trousers are now made in Fiji, but Im pretty sure most of their suits are still produced in Australia. I love the concept of Anthony Squires but its pretty shoddy in general for what you pay for it. I purchased one of their suits several years ago, this was before I knew what the difference was between and a fused suit. I never dry cleaned the suit but it bubbled. So I think the fusing is pretty bad.

    I recommended CEO in an earlier post, but I would recant that. I went into their store in Brisbane today and have to advise you to stay away for now. It appears that all their suits are fused now. They used to sell some half canvassed models with basting on the sleeves, but I think they have switched production again to cheaper manufacturer so that they can squeeze more profit out of their suits. Not impressed! This seems to the way most Australian Manufacturers they are producing more and more off shore suits and the prices are not coming down!!
     
  14. Journeyman

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    Some of Anthony Squires trousers are now made in Fiji, but Im pretty sure most of their suits are still produced in Australia. I love the concept of Anthony Squires but its pretty shoddy in general for what you pay for it. I purchased one of their suits several years ago, this was before I knew what the difference was between and a fused suit. I never dry cleaned the suit but it bubbled. So I think the fusing is pretty bad.

    I recommended CEO in an earlier post, but I would recant that. I went into their store in Brisbane today and have to advise you to stay away for now. It appears that all their suits are fused now. They used to sell some half canvassed models with basting on the sleeves, but I think they have switched production again to cheaper manufacturer so that they can squeeze more profit out of their suits. Not impressed! This seems to the way most Australian Manufacturers they are producing more and more off shore suits and the prices are not coming down!!



    If I remember correctly, Anthony Squires will make both suits and shirts to order - not sure if it's true bespoke or just made-to-measure. Such suits are fully canvassed. However, using the MTO option is (naturally) a lot more expensive than buying a suit straight off the rack, and I don't know what the off-the-rack suits are like in terms of quality and construction.

    I would agree with the above warning on CEO suits - they look trendy, but the quality is not particularly good.

    As someone noted above, Trent Nathan makes quite nice suits that are partially-canvassed. I've even seen a couple of models with basted sleeves, so that you can have working buttonholes made when the suit is tailored to fit. I'm not sure of how much they would sell for during the stocktake sales at David Jones.

    Country Road suits all seem to be fused, but are also reasonable quality - although too expensive for what you get if you pay full price. However, if you can pick one up on sale you won't necessarily be doing too badly. I noticed a rather nice suit in the Brisbane City store a couple of days ago - single-breasted, peak lapel, twin side vents, medium gray with a slight pattern to the weave. Quite a slender cut, too. If it wasn't for the fact that my wife would kill me if I brought home another suit, I would seriously have considered buying it...
     
  15. neyus

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    As someone noted above, Trent Nathan makes quite nice suits that are partially-canvassed. I've even seen a couple of models with basted sleeves, so that you can have working buttonholes made when the suit is tailored to fit. I'm not sure of how much they would sell for during the stocktake sales at David Jones.

    I went to DJS at the start of the sale, only saw a couple of Trent Nathan suits left. But they are a little over 400 dollars. At that price a good deal and better than buying Studio Italia.

    I noticed a rather nice suit in the Brisbane City store a couple of days ago - single-breasted, peak lapel, twin side vents, medium gray with a slight pattern to the weave. Quite a slender cut, too. If it wasn't for the fact that my wife would kill me if I brought home another suit, I would seriously have considered buying it...

    I know the suit you are talking about at Country Road. The best of the lot. Peak lapels and an absent buttonhole detail in the lapel. If it was in charcoal I would by more inclined to buy it....For a similar styled suit to the Country Road you can go is Pierucci. They have good sales however the stock is always limited.
     
  16. Matt

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    Some of Anthony Squires trousers are now made in Fiji, but Im pretty sure most of their suits are still produced in Australia.
    [​IMG]
     
  17. meister

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    My first suit was also Studio Italia, a plain black pure wool 3 button that i bought for my year 12 formal in 2001. I still wear it to weddings/funerals.

    Ditto for my 18 year old and very successful too!
     

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