At What price point do you think one should chose Bespoke/MTM shoes over RTW???

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  1. Soph

    Soph Senior member

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    Since Kiton, Lattanzi, and many others are now getting RTW shoes in the plus 2,000k range. When does the cost of such high priced RTW start to become obsolete to a MTM and perhaps even a quality Bespoke shoe?
     


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    Since Kiton, Lattanzi, and many others are now getting RTW shoes in the plus 2,000k range. When does the cost of such high priced RTW start to become obsolete to a MTM and perhaps even a quality Bespoke shoe?
    At $2000k, bespoke seems almost a no-brainer. What does Cleverly or Lobb charge for bespoke?
     


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    At $2000k, bespoke seems almost a no-brainer. What does Cleverly or Lobb charge for bespoke?


    MTM would seem to start to probably kick in close to this.

    Pure bespoke however, does seem to get rather expense 3-4k I've heard.
    I'm sure this will give us an idea where for example:

    MTM > RTW at : $2000-$2,500 as an example
     


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    What are you talking about? "MTM" and "bespoke" break down when it comes to a discussion of shoes. You can have a made-to-order shoe with some custom features like slight last modifications, like EG or Vass, or you have bespoke, like the shoes Gaziano makes/made for EG, like Cleverley and the rest.

    John Lobb London bespoke is about $4000 now, starting; there are surcharges for orders taken on their visits. John Lobb Paris is closer to $5000. Cleverley bespoke is about 1500 pounds including VAT, not sure if trees are included. Cleverley has a made-to-order program in that you can order one of their RTW shoes in a non-stock size and perhaps a different leather. They don't call that MTM. And it's done by Crockett and Jones and whoever else makes shoes for them.

    $2000 for a RTW shoe is mad. Maybe if EG really does come out with a new Top Drawer line I'd try a special order. But that's about it for RTW shoes that notch four figures.
     


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    Soph Senior member

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    Medwards, I believe, has expressed a similar thought process for Cleverley as being one of the best values in bespoke shoes (custom etc).

    My query results of exorbitant pricing and the increasing prevalence of status quo charging of plus 2k for RTW. Is this acceptable to consumers? Will demand slack to halt this progression? Are we or will we concede to this?
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    Cleverley:
    1500 May 5 1.8593 equals
    $2,788.9490 Us dollars
    Assuming you're a fan of Cleverley.
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    Lobb is a bit much at 4-5k.

    I'm curious as of some of the smaller bespoke, lesser known/marketed French and Italian bespoke makers. I would assume with some research these would be your best value assuming you have access.

    In the US ???
     


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    I'm curious as of some of the smaller bespoke, lesser known/marketed French ... bespoke makers. I would assume with some research these would be your best value assuming you have access.
    Yes... yes, they may be... [​IMG]
     


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    Interesting thread--I am a Cleverley man and after having bespoke rendered for me, John Carnera informed me that he "can mold his rtw models according to my last.'" I took him up on that--and to my pleasant surprise, the fit on all RTW Cleverley's has been as exquisite as my bespokes. Needless to say, I have been ordering this way--and I save a ton. I just got two pair "on sale" for 700 bucks, including the conforming last manouver. I don't think the boys at GC are extremely happy with this decision, but with prices on EVERY type of shoe skyrocketing, thanks to shoody exchange rates and other factors, we have to go about our shopping decisions in a more more clever(ley) manner.
     


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    That is way cool. I sit corrected.
     


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    RJman:
    Always the persona non grata, instigator and accepted board oni.[​IMG]
    Informative nonetheless.

    White flag waving.
     


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    Soph Senior member

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    Interesting thread--I am a Cleverley man and after having bespoke rendered for me, John Carnera informed me that he "can mold his rtw models according to my last.'" I took him up on that--and to my pleasant surprise, the fit on all RTW Cleverley's has been as exquisite as my bespokes. Needless to say, I have been ordering this way--and I save a ton. I just got two pair "on sale" for 700 bucks, including the conforming last manouver. I don't think the boys at GC are extremely happy with this decision, but with prices on EVERY type of shoe skyrocketing, thanks to shoody exchange rates and other factors, we have to go about our shopping decisions in a more more clever(ley) manner.


    --That is great, sounds as if you have found a great value. In a different vein, IamMatt, if I am not mistaken-apologies in advance), had some Lattazni bespoke/mto/mtm etc. etc. but now has admittedly felt the RTW Lattanzi achieve the same fit. So thru trial and error one could admittedly find value in the higher RTW prices. Congrats again on your incredible find. Cheers.
     


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    --That is great, sounds as if you have found a great value. In a different vein, IamMatt, if I am not mistaken-apologies in advance), had some Lattazni bespoke/mto/mtm etc. etc. but now has admittedly felt the RTW Lattanzi achieve the same fit. So thru trial and error one could admittedly find value in the higher RTW prices. Congrats again on your incredible find. Cheers.


    Thanks--but bear in mind I had to go bespoke first.
     


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    Soph Senior member

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    Thanks--but bear in mind I had to go bespoke first.

    Do you have pics?
    Any recommendations that after wearing for sometime you have found to be your favored styles, lasts, colors, etc.?

    Thanks again for the insights.
     


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    Do you have pics?
    Any recommendations that after wearing for sometime you have found to be your favored styles, lasts, colors, etc.?

    Thanks again for the insights.


    I will tell you this--those chisel-toed brogued slip-ons, with the diaphenous side band are THE MOST comfortable--and amongst the most elegant shoes that I own, including my Russian calfs.
     


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    I will tell you this--those chisel-toed brogued slip-ons, with the diaphenous side band are THE MOST comfortable--and amongst the most elegant shoes that I own, including my Russian calfs.


    ---- Now you've got to show us some photos. The appetite has been wetted as I love a good chisel-toe and the slip on sounds comfy.
     


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    Another factor to consider is time: if you're using a visiting shoemaker, expect to wait a year before you have a shoe to wear for bespoke. Edward Green MTO is around 12 weeks.

    --Andre
     


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