Thanks, guys I was always a bit hazy on this rule, as my mother (who spent most of her formative years and college in the UK) never harangued me for wearing ocbd's with other suits (church, etc) but if I wear very conservative oxblood cap toes with a navy suit or grey flannels all hell breaks loose. Basically if she doesn't yell, I assume its not a hard and fast rule. I think I'm going to go scope out shirts, just to be safe I feel like I should wear a spread collar, because thats what I see this guy wear when he's headed to work. Ideally I'd really like to work for him if the grad school thing doesn't pan out, so I want to make sure I make a good impression if I meet his boss, etc. I'll keep it banker formal except for the heavy duty veggie tanned work belt with the liberty bell buckle and the scarlet cashmere socks BTW I'm really proud of losing the weight, so thanks for noticing. I just stopped "grazing" in between meals, replaced breakfast with trail mix, stopped buying fat sandwiches (Rutgers thing, look them up) and replaced soda with unsweetened tea. Couldn't believe how fast I dropped back down.