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  1. Rugger

    Rugger Senior member

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    Derby/Blücher are laced shoes with open lacing. example:

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    While oxford/balmoral have closed lacing, example:

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    That's the only difference?
     


  2. onix

    onix Senior member

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    That's the only difference?

    Yes.
     


  3. SupeMassivePowerTrip

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    http://www.marksandspencer.com/Autog...elated-items-3

    Have my eyes set on this suit. Going to grad this year so will need something for interviews. I heard that m&s make decent suits from the owner of TaT. It looks ok in the video except they drape weirdly when walking. Should I cop?
     


  4. retozimmermann

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    Yes.

    While in the US there might not be a difference between a Blücher and a Derby in common language usage, there is definitely a difference in the original European terms.

    It is true that both shoe types have open lacing as opposed to an Oxford with it's closed lacing, but they are not the same.

    On a derby there is an Arch in the quarters that extends from the lacing down to the sole. Example:
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    On a blücher, on the other hand, you have no such part. Like here:
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    The whole Derby/Blucher confusion is similar to the the often unclear usage of Oxford and Balmoral, which are two different types of shoes as well but where the US-terminology doesn't seem to make this distinction.

    Cheers
    Reto
     


  5. onix

    onix Senior member

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    While in the US there might not be a difference between a Blücher and a Derby in common language usage, there is definitely a difference in the original European terms.

    It is true that both shoe types have open lacing as opposed to an Oxford with it's closed lacing, but they are not the same.

    On a derby there is an Arch in the quarters that extends from the lacing down to the sole. Example:
    [​IMG]

    On a blücher, on the other hand, you have no such part. Like here:
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    The whole Derby/Blucher confusion is similar to the the often unclear usage of Oxford and Balmoral, which are two different types of shoes as well but where the US-terminology doesn't seem to make this distinction.

    Cheers
    Reto


    Are you sure? I've never heard of such distinction. Both of these pairs are called "derby" by Alfred Sargent.

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  6. Surreal

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    What do you think about these suits. Both are Pierre Cardin and from wool.

    This costs around $700:
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    This was a bit cheaper, around $500, I think:
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    Worth it?
     


  7. IsteRed

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    Hello,anybody knows where i can get MOP white buttons for blazer?i have a navy blazer that i wear mostly with white shirts and i think that changing to white buttons will look smoking hot,what would you say?[​IMG]
     


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    Hello,anybody knows where i can get MOP white buttons for blazer?i have a navy blazer that i wear mostly with white shirts and i think that changing to white buttons will look smoking hot,what would you say?[​IMG]
    Right here.
     


  9. easy_golfing

    easy_golfing Senior member

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    Just curious, but are shoes from Nordstrom Rack original or are they "made for" as some of the clothes are?
     


  10. dah328

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    Just curious, but are shoes from Nordstrom Rack original or are they "made for" as some of the clothes are?
    Some are definitely not made for Nordstrom Rack but there do appear to be some pretty low-end shoes there, too.
     


  11. sho'nuff

    sho'nuff grrrrrrrr!!

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    Right here.

    Thanks!
     


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    Just received a shirt in the mail from Modern Tailor that I will need to get adjusted at the waist - I am just going to take it to a local tailor to get darts put in. Question - should I launder it a few times beforehand for shrinkage and if so, how many times?
     


  14. retozimmermann

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    Are you sure? I've never heard of such distinction. Both of these pairs are called "derby" by Alfred Sargent.

    That's interesting. I am quite certain but cannot find a good reference at the moment. But obviously there are a lot of sources who use the terms to mean the same.

    I still think that this is not entirely correct because the two shoes which I would distinguish with the two terms are clearly different shoes with different uppers.

    Does anyone have an expert opinion on this?

    Cheers
    Reto
     


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    onix Senior member

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    That's interesting. I am quite certain but cannot find a good reference at the moment. But obviously there are a lot of sources who use the terms to mean the same.

    I still think that this is not entirely correct because the two shoes which I would distinguish with the two terms are clearly different shoes with different uppers.

    Does anyone have an expert opinion on this?

    Cheers
    Reto


    I went to both John Lobb and Edward Green websites and their derby shoes include both types. Now, it is a possibility that there was such distinction before, but it now becomes obsolete. I don't entirely dismiss your opinion, just that I haven't heard of that before.
     


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