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Ask A Question, Get An Answer... - Post All Quick Questions Here (Classic menswear)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Master-Classter, Sep 28, 2008.

  1. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    The first style is infinitely more versatile than the monk.
     
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  2. Joenobody0

    Joenobody0 Senior member

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    In the USA, off of style forum, I agree 100%. Every time I see someone wearing monks in a professional setting they're dressed in some "look at me" combination of colors and fits. You really run the risk of being "that guy" when you wear monks.

    There are too many answers from too many people who should still be asking.
     
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  3. Joenobody0

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    What shoes are you used to? If you buy from the middle quality bench made range of options, Allen Edmonds is now offering a large number of rubber soles options. If you're more a JL or G&G kind of guy, you'll probably need to spec a rubber sole on a MTM order (Vass would be a good option).
     
  4. acinod

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    I'm still starting off my shoe wardrobe, just been rotating between my Loake Strands and Loake Aldwych for work. I've worn them a once or twice on a rainy day already but it doesn't feel right since the leather sole gets soaked.

    Being in Australia, I prefer not to get Allen Edmonds because I feel I can get something better for the shipping costs. Also I feel the styles can be a bit clunky sometimes (definitely prefer a sleeker fit). G&G is definitely out of my budget for now as they are a large step up from my Loake's. $500 is probably the max I would go.

    I have a pair of suede chukkas with a dainite sole, do you think I can get away with wearing them with a suit in the rain while I decide on a more appropriate pair of shoes?
     
  5. Joenobody0

    Joenobody0 Senior member

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    Check out C&J, they do a few models on rubber. I don't think I've ever seen a C&J balmoral on rubber though.

    I've worn shell chukkas with a suit, and I think it was appropriate. I think it would totally depend on the suit and the shoe, in your case. Ultimately, compromise is often necessary. It's not like someone will punch you in the face for wearing suede chukkas with a "smart" suit.

    On edit; what about overshoes? Swims is a good brand.
     
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    The suede monks are your most versatile. The 2 oxfords (as I've mentioned the past several weeks) are not casual in any sense of the word. Others may not like double monks but they are far from rare outsider shoes that will get you ostracized as others try to say. Have doubts? Every company makes at least one DM model all the time. Lobb is famous for their DMs. I myself am out of this conversation as of now. You want oxfords with jeans, go for it...but after 2 months of back and forth you'd think you might have found something by now with all the advice the SF community has given you.
     
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  7. Joenobody0

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    ^^^ I didn't realize this was the same guy. I'll restate - leather soles with jeans looks weird. A blucher boot might be passable, but it won't look great with a suit.

    On edit: a long wing blucher is another possibility.
     
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  8. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    I think we need a 1000 post minimum for anyone wanting to give advice...
     
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    Thanks I'll check C&J out. I was considering shell as well but was worried they might be annoying to care for if they get wet. Would shell be better than calf in the rain?

    On a budget, I'm guessing any pair with a rubber sole from Meermin might also work? Those dress boots look quite nice; I've never owned dress boots before.
    https://meermin.es/catalogo.php?x=0&y=0&s=rubber

    Although winter here might end before I receive anything from Meermin...
     
  10. Joenobody0

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    Modern shell tanning isn't what it used to be, due to EPA regulations. Do a search for "shell water welt".

    I'd take grained calf over modern shell in the rain.
     
  11. justonemore

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    Post count appears to mean nothing as to knowledge. You're at 6'000 posts and still advising that oxfords are versatile casual shoes. I've been in the game the last decade, have 50 pairs of shoes in my collection, and have posted thousands upon thousands of times (yet only 300 or so posts on this particular forum).... you are certainly entitled to your opinion...but many posts does not an expert make...and no mattee how many pists someone has, oxfords are not casual shoes that will go from jeans up to business casual up to casual suits
     
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  12. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    No one said they were. Listen more, post less.
     
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    Yet here you are claiming that oxfords are more versatile than DMs for someone looking for a casual wardrobe shoe...perhaps you should take your own advice "listen more, post less"?
     
  14. Caustic Man

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    I don't know if English if a second language for you but I'm honestly at a loss to understand what it is you are arguing.
     
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    I think those 3 posts all offer a starting point as to what I am arguing as to someone looking for a wide range shoe... or was your account hacked?
     
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  16. Caustic Man

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    That's what I was arguing.
     
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    Perhaps I didn't explain myself well. By 'versatile' I did not mean in a way that it would work with many different suits and formal outfits, but that I could dress it down if needed. I am not worried that something won't work with a suit, but I want shoes which can work in business casual environment, and also work on a date in the evening with some dark jeans or other solid pants and a polo for instance.

    Thank sir for your advises, I just don't like doing quick purchases. Month ago I bought shoes which I know regret, and it's wasted money. Also bought shorts and jeans which I regret. I just want to make a really good purchases.

    I think my problem is that I am in 'Classic menswear' forum, and I am leaning partially towards younger audience as I am just 26. So yes, on paper oxfords with jeans are not good, but in real life maybe it can look great? Polo/t-shirt with blazer is also bad on paper, but maybe if I see someone doing that I will think that it looks great.

    I mean most people don't know the 'rules', right? They know that something looks good or bad. If I don't know the 'rules' and someone if wearing DM with jeans I would think he looks much better than someone wearing sneakers, but it's not according to the dress code, etc. Just what I am thinking, perhaps I am wrong.
     
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  18. Caustic Man

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    If this is what you want then both the oxfords and the DMs are less than ideal. I'd suggest something like this. I love derbies with some broguing with a pair of jeans, or trousers and a sport coat. This leaves you with a sober and not-too-flashy shoe that solves the oxford formality problem. Derby brogues in a dark color are an amazingly versatile shoe and a casual one at that.

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  19. Joenobody0

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    You're asking the wrong questions. Shoes are 98% about fit.

    You want shoes not to wear with a suit? Any of the suggestions have been fine.
     
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  20. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    I think there is something you need to understand. People were responding to your versatility question. Whether or not DMs look "good" in any given context is another thing entirely. There is nothing wrong with DMs, they are just another type of shoe. It's not like they can never look good. But that is up to you.
     
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