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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Master-Classter, Sep 28, 2008.

  1. audadd

    audadd New Member

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    Hello.

    Is it appropriate to pair a darker gray bow tie with a thin stripe with a tuxedo? If not (or if you have a better suggestion than the aforementioned), are there any other acceptable styles besides the normal black bow tie?

    Also, does anyone have advice about a pocket square color/pattern besides the traditional white? This event is not extremely formal or anything, and I would like to do something a little more playful than black bow tie + white pocket square (but not too prominent).

    Also, feel free to give any tie+PS combination suggestions if anyone feels so inclined. I'm fine if someone wants to disregard my question completely and just give me a better combination [​IMG]. I'm kind of stuck on tuxedo-wear ideas.

    Thank you.
     
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  2. cptjeff

    cptjeff Senior member

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    Black silk bowtie only, satin or grosgrain to match your lapels. There are no other acceptable styles.

    Pocket square, you have a more freedom. Dark and subtle plain colors are probably best, think burgundy or bottle green, though a restrained pattern works too. That's the only place in the getup where you should be wearing any color other than black or white.

    Black tie is not a place where you should be trying to get creative. The ensemble works because of the simplicity, line, and starkness of contrast.
     
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  3. audadd

    audadd New Member

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    thanks a lot for the clarification. the fact that it only works because of the simplicity and contrast is probably why I had so much trouble wrapping my mind around anything besides the norm. Is light gray alright for pocket squares? or should i be going a navy/burgandy?
     
  4. gravitas1

    gravitas1 Active Member

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    Recently got into watches and I already have a Rolex as an homage to my Dad (huge Rolex guy), now looking at a Cartier Tank as an homage to my Mom (Cartier lady). I am deciding between the XL (left) or L (right).


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    The XL is automatic and has a date function (L has neither) but I feel that the L looks better on my wrist. Opinions?
     
  5. cptjeff

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    The L indeed looks better sized for your wrist.


    Light gray would work.
     
  6. diamond4life

    diamond4life New Member

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    Is this a good tux for jr prom?

    AIt's form mens wearhouse. It looked different and original since everybody else is gonna be wearing black white tuxes I thought I get something that looks very classy and slick. My date said she liked it, but idk weather or not to believe her btw she's wearing a turqoius color-like dress

    http://m.tuxedo.menswearhouse.com/preStyledLookDetail.do?id=65&order=12&occasion=prom

    So community give me your opinions :)
     
  7. 12345Michael54321

    12345Michael54321 Senior member

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    The smaller version is the more traditionally appropriate one.

    Current fashion favors size in wristwatches - the larger the better. (It also favors as much complication as possible. So the currently prevailing trend is to wear a watch the size of a pie plate, and the better part of an inch thick, with at least three sub-dials, and perhaps a few dive watch features, too. Oh, and to wear it in even the most formal settings, on the theory that "it's expensive, so it works as a dress watch...plus, some fictional character in a movie wore a similar watch with a tuxedo, so it must be right.")

    I would advise you to completely ignore the current fashion. You've already correctly identified the better looking watch on your wrist; there's no need to second guess yourself.
     
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  8. The Eldredge

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    Can anyone tell me what kind of tie this would technically be called? nothing comes up when I google different kinds of bowtie.
    [​IMG]
     
  9. YRR92

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    I've heard that called a string tie, but I'm not really certain.

    To be blunt, it looks like part of a Col. Sanders costume. I prefer Popeye's.
     
  10. 12345Michael54321

    12345Michael54321 Senior member

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    It is a Western Tie. (Also sometimes called a Western Formal Tie, or a Western Style Bow Tie.)

    If you're considering wearing one, bear in mind that for most men, in most places, it's essentially a costume item.
     
  11. 12345Michael54321

    12345Michael54321 Senior member

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    Usually, a string tie means something more like a bolo tie. But yes, sometimes a tie of the type in question might be called a western string (or double string) tie, or something similar. It's not like there's one "official" name for it, so depending on where you are and who's doing the naming, it can bear a fairly wide variety of names.

    I agree that save for some relatively limited people/situations, it's a costume item. But when Col. Sanders wore this sort of tie, he looked good. I would add that he didn't wear them with the bows as... "loopy"... as is the case with the tie in The Eldredge's post. (BTW, because Col. Sanders wore such ties, they're also sometimes called Colonel ties.)
     
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  12. The Eldredge

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    meh, not so much considering it as wondering what it was. I had no idea what to make of the thing. I guess the loops on this one are just dragged out a little more than normal.
     
  13. thrilos81

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    Hey guys I'm attending a horse race in a week and I was given this tie as a gift to wear. Any suggestions as to what to match it with? Blue or white blazer? Shirt and pants color, pocket square? It's a rather preppy event. Get creative and thank you.

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  14. mimo

    mimo Senior member

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    Match it with a match. It's hideous. If you can't dispose of it without offence, at least hide it deep in the closet to be "saved for a special occasion" (that never comes).

    Then wear a nice tie with your blazer.
     
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  15. DrewBru75

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    Just wanted to bump this as it being my first post it was held up. Need some help!
     
  16. Winston S.

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    About 10 years ago I bought my first mechanical watch (an Omega Seamaster) in the mid size (35mm) thinking the 41mm would be too big. In the end I ended up flipping the midsize and getting a full size Seamaster GMT a few years down the road and have no regrets about it. Go with what feels comfortable with you. I have a pretty small wrist (6.25"), but feel totally comfortable with the larger sized watch. I think the XL size looks fine on you, but you should also take into consideration the trends as Michael suggested. If the trend becomes that the larger size watches are no longer trendy would you stop wearing that watch? If the L size is not mechanical that would be a deal breaker for me. I don't think I could drop that kind of coin on a quartz watch. From a dress perspective, less complications = more formal. Even a date or seconds hand may be too complicated for dress, but then again the numbering on the dial is not exactly subtle either, but definitely a classic design.
     
  17. 12345Michael54321

    12345Michael54321 Senior member

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    It's essentially a theme or novelty tie; treat it as such. Whereas a "normal" tie should harmonize with the rest of what you're wearing, a novelty tie, by its very nature, may appropriately stand somewhat apart from the rest of what you're wearing.

    You could wear a navy blazer, a white (or pink) OCBD, a pair of grey pants, and a nice pair of loafers. You want to wear a pocket square? Well, I know that The Tie Bar offers a white cotton pocket square, with pink hand rolled border, for all of $8. (It's item #PC022.) And the tie. You say it's a preppy event... well, dressed in this fashion, I suppose you'd look the part. (Although if you truly want to nail the look, don't ignore the accessories. The right sunglasses, watch strap, belt, socks - if any, etc., make all the difference.)

    Personally, I very rarely wear theme or novelty ties. While in theory they can be lighthearted and whimsical, most of the time I simply find them to be immature or disconcerting or just inappropriate. On those few occasions when I'm given a novelty or theme tie as a gift, I accept them graciously, but seldom wear them. I've never had the person who gave me the tie see me at some subsequent event and ask me why I wasn't wearing the tie he gave me. If he were so rude as to ask, I'd come up with some polite explanation ("I was still half asleep when I got dressed this morning, and just grabbed the first tie I noticed on my tie rack. It completely slipped my mind that the tie you gave me might have been a better option.") and move on.

    If it's a tie you're expected to wear - like, your host gave you the tie and explicitly stated that he hoped you'd wear it when attending the race as his guest the following week - well, then you've got to wear the tie. Just tie it around your neck that morning, and then do your best to forget about it. Wearing an unattractive tie won't kill you, and sometimes there are considerations which take priority over aesthetics.
     
  18. 12345Michael54321

    12345Michael54321 Senior member

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    Same here. Not that quartz (or equivalent) wristwatches don't have their place, but that place, at least for me, tends to be as sub-$200 "utility" watches, and not as multi-thousand dollar iconic dress watches, purchased as an "homage" to a beloved parent.

    When gravitas1 stated that the watch in question was not an automatic, I took it to mean that it was a manual winding non-automatic watch (a perfectly fine type of mechanical movement) - not that it was quartz.
     
  19. aravenel

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    Pretty much this.
     
  20. Sanguis Mortuum

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    +1. I was going to suggest almost exactly the same, except with FU trousers (e.g. bright orange) rather than grey :D
     

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