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As promised, pictures of my outfits

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mt_spiffy, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. mt_spiffy

    mt_spiffy Senior member

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    Please dont tell me this picture was already in existence.
     
  2. FlyingMonkey

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    I can only imagine the history here becuase I really don't want to read this entire thread, which seems to be an exercise in attention-seeking. All I am going to say is that you may be one of the worst-dressed men ever to grace the forum, but you have a beautiful daughter and you seem to be enjoying your life. Good for you. What else is there to say?
     
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    Have you visited WAYWN thread recently? Its now much worse than Spiffy in terms of style and personality IMO.
     
  4. mt_spiffy

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    The thread was not posted for the purpose of attention seeking . . . when I first joined the forums I started a number of threads asking about brands of suits and shoes I was interested in. Most of the responses I got were "this has to be fake, no one actually dresses like this" so I started this thread to demonstrate, yes, yes I do.

    I only update it now once or twice a year, as it doesnt serve much purpose any more, but people seem to enjoy it. And I am evolving.
     
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    It's certainly not at its best and we've lost some of the very best-dressed people. The answer to this of course, is for you and those who observe this, to post more and show everyone else a better example. But this isn't a better example - I am all for dandyism and foppery and other more exuberent modes of male style and I've said so before, but these also start from a basis of fit, coherence and quality which they share with the most soporific CBD. However much 'personality' is in these outfits (and I am totally happy to imagine that mt_spiffy is a lovely man who is lots of fun to be around), they lack all of these things. This really belongs, if it belongs anywhere on this forum, in SW&D because it draws much more on entirely different ideas of style that aren't compatible with those in MC.
     
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  6. rach2jlc

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    edit; FlyingMonkey posted while I was writing, but I rather strongly disagree. BUT, like so many discussions on the forum, whether it be politics, fashion, the fifty "greatest" menswear brands, etc. we all may use the same words/terms, but have completely different ideas in mind for what they actually mean. I see at last two different, incompatible meanings:

    (1) Good fashion is specifically about the garment: a certain proportion between the clothes and the body of the man, a certain combination of colors, textures, and quality of production that are more or less universal/categorical. In this way, a 3'5 man from California and a 7'2 man from China wearing the same garment, though "bespoke" from Gieves & Hawkes, are both said to look "superb," given that the connection between their proportions and the fit, etc. of the garment are "perfect" for them.

    (2) Good fashion is about the wearer, who he is, where he's from, what his circumstances demand, and the kind of life he leads. In this way, Yohji Yamamoto wearing his own looks, and Vox wearing one of his bespoke items, both look "excellent" even though the styles are nothing at all alike. Switch the looks and Yohji looks comical and Vox looks like he's wearing a completely ill-fitting jacket. As well, the attitude/personality of the man plays a part in (2) Thus, Bernie Madof wearing perfect clothes looks less "good" as an overall effect than, say, SoCal happily wearing one of his Pirate Skirts.

    For me, fashion is all about (2). Even though Spiffy's choices are not mine, I actually don't think he looks bad in them, and think they've gotten better over time. This latest batch, as an overall effect, shows a man with a nice life, comfortable in his skin, confident, and who has found a style that works for him and his circumstances.

    On the other hand, I couldn't care less about (1): I've seen dozens of threads and hundreds of photos over the years of men look absolutely miserable in $$$, exquisitely constructed clothes. There isn't any enjoyment there, but instead an almost fetishistic sense of obsession with the mechanics of a garment. The items "fit" them perfectly, of course, are made of the finest materials, and cost more than my first car... and yet they look like boys playing "Dress up." No confidence, no comfort, just... well... fetish.

    Those only interested in the clothing themselves (1), divorced from the person wearing it, obviously post how great the latter person looks; actually, they're not saying how "good" the man looks... because he looks awful... it's how nice his suit looks.

    They'll also be the ones who will say how "awful" Spiffy looks. But, to be honest, to everybody but a very, very, very small minority (even on this forum), people perceive a lot more in the first glance than what kind of horn your buttonholes are made from. And, when doing that, Spiffy's looks overall give a greater sense of a confident, satisfied man than a lot of the posturing and preening that goes on here.

    So, Spiffy, keep doing what you're doing, though be open to new things (and, as you said, your style is evolving).

    *That being said... girlfriend... we have GOT to work on your shoes. :lol:
     
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    That is all true and I already said as much, but it has almost nothing to do with SF MC and what it tries to encourage - and that's actually already rather more varied than the caricature you present here. I agree with you that spending ludicrous amounts of money on 'accepted' items in which one proceeds to be miserable is a pointless waste of a life - although what you see of anyone's 'real life' from most of the photos you get here is minimal to the point of being completely misleading. But that's not the only alternative to the total relativism of 'this is my style, I'm happy and no-one can judge me' which means there is no dialogue at all because there is no basis on which to have a conversation apart from an endless backslapping bro-ish bonhomie in which everyone is always 'looking good' just because we think we are. If that was the case, SF could just shut up shop now...
     
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    Wrong on all levels.
     
  9. rach2jlc

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    But there is just this; the "endless backslapping bro-ish bonhomie in which everyone is always 'looking good'" just because they are wearing a certain type of sportcoat that fits the criteria... even though the man himself looks awful in it, miserable, and (in many cases) childish.

    Note that I'm not advocating a complete relativism, but instead offering that there is MUCH more to whether a man looks "awful" than just the narrow set of things that many on this thread were whining about; quite frankly, a happy, fulfilled, confident man whose style is evolving and yet wears things I wouldn't still looks "better" IRL to many people... even those who are interested in fashion... than a preening asshole wearing Castangia.

    Anyway, Spiffy looks like he dresses to go out and interact with REAL people in REAL settings, not just to stand in front of a mirror in his closet to take pictures for men on the interwebz.
     
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    :bounce2: :rotflmao:
     
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    To put it another way, assume that Yohji Yamamoto (the man) came on the forum and said, "hey guys, here are my outfits." Everything he wears is black, 2-3 sizes too big, and much of it is cut in such a way one side is different from the other, or is frayed.

    Many of the MC folk would give him similar sentiments to Spiffy, and would ignore how Yohji pulls it off... confident, comfortable, a man who has found a singular aesthetic that FITS him exactly...

    Conversely, if Yohji came on after a trip to Rubinacci or A&S, MC would go on and on about it, even though (and he mentioned this himself in interviews) he felt miserable in them, uncomfortable, and felt that they accentuated every diminutive of his physique as a Japanese man.

    Obviously, Spiffy isn't Yohji, and I"m not saying I "love" his looks. BUT, I'm saying that there is more to a discussion of what makes a man look "good" than just the very narrow set many in MC want to believe. We started to discuss this on the 50 best menswear thread (in the middle when a few posters had some interesting ideas on "evolution" or darwinism to the garments)... but it's also interesting to carry it over here with somebody who wears "bad" clothes in a way that works for HIM.
     
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    Spiffy at the very least went all out on his style. Instead of thrifting here, bidding there, to acquire a whole bunch of SF approved items that lacks any coherency.
     
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    This and more...
     
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    Spiff. Is. THE. Man.

    Welcome back!
     
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    I usually forget about this thread after the replies die down, so if anyone wants to be kept abreast, I am on Twitter and Facebook:

    www.twitter.com/dspiffy
    www.facebook.com/dspiffy

    I dont do excessive self promotion but I do repost a lot of political stuff-- at least through Nov. 6th.
     
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    There's clearly a history here, of which I am not part. I'll leave you all to it.
     
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    But he did gain a couple of kilos :)




    Its probably a good idea. He's an adopted son here. Harmless, and a good sport. He got railed pretty hard way back, especially for the 3 neckties tied together into a single knot, but he's welcome here anytime.

    Must admit, and don't know how I feel about it, the scarf as a tie knot is a pretty clever.
     
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