As promised, pictures of my outfits

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mt_spiffy, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. rach2jlc

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    To talk about Yohji again, I remember reading an interview where he said the reason that he doesn't wear that type of "golden ratio" tailored clothing is because it makes him look very small, diminutive... almost like a kid in a suit. As such, he likes a larger proportion because it gives him (in his words) more "presence."

    Seeing how he looks in his own clothes, and imagining him or anyone of his body-type/build wearing a more classically tailored item, makes me see his point. Obviously, what works for one doesn't work for another, which is why "rules" don't hold up across the board. A guy with Tom Ford's build obviously looks GREAT in TF's type of tailoring, but put TF in Yohji and he'll not look great either.
     


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    Arrrggg!!! Not another golden ratio shape idealist!!! I don't even like Mafoofan outfit but his answer was perfect and yours a perfect recipee for having absolutely no style.

    yeah. i can't think of a greater style atrocity than adhering to a 'golden rule of shape.' Nothing says 'stiff' to me louder than that...

    I definitely agree with you guys, but going back to the Corthay thread, I do believe that there are some proportions, while non-classical, that look great like Yojhi, and some that look horrible.
     


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    I definitely agree with you guys, but going back to the Corthay thread, I do believe that there are some proportions, while non-classical, that look great like Yojhi, and some that look horrible.

    What, Matt, you don't like it, the Andrew Mackenzie?

    (from s/s 2005... one of the bigger travesties in modern fashion history)
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    Fade to Black, I think I'm one of those guys with "untrained eyes" that's unable to appreciate Yohji Yamamoto's stuff. I always thought they look kind 'off' on you but then again you're one tall dude. So, it's really not my place to say. Still, you sure love your Yohjis because I see them on almost all of your outfit pictures! [​IMG] By the way, are you Lin Dan or something?
     


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    What, Matt, you don't like it, the Andrew Mackenzie?

    (from s/s 2005... one of the bigger travesties in modern fashion history)
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    Is he the official outfitter of the 2008 Folsom Street Fair?
     


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    ^Apparently, he must be outfitting SOMEBODY because he somehow manages to stay in business all these years without a fragrance license or some sell-out diffusions.
     


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    ^Apparently, he must be outfitting SOMEBODY because he somehow manages to stay in business all these years without a fragrance license or some sell-out diffusions.

    His whole strategy is based on selling pieces skimpy enough that you'll need to buy a lot to cover your whole body...instant success story!!
     


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    I definitely agree with you guys, but going back to the Corthay thread, I do believe that there are some proportions, while non-classical, that look great like Yojhi, and some that look horrible.

    I was recently searching for something on the forum (about hd tv no less) and came upon the old art thread where we had a discussion on Pollock (don't ask, search on the forum=not so good). Without re-starting the whole ordeal I'll say that being opposed to classifying what is aesthetically pleasing according to some hardcore canonical rules does not preclude separating what works from what doesn't. In other words +1
     


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    I definitely agree with you guys, but going back to the Corthay thread, I do believe that there are some proportions, while non-classical, that look great like Yojhi, and some that look horrible.

    There's no doubt in my mind that proportions are key to making anything look good, but I don't think there's a simple formula to determine them as Mr. Jazzi supposes.

    Moreover, I think the question of proportion should only come after discussion of what someone is trying to achieve. Fade to Black and I both have bigger heads. It would be tempting to try and make them look smaller from the viewpoint of 'correctness'. But, a better analysis would first consider whether we are trying to hide the size of our heads in the first place--perhaps we are proudly displaying them in all their glorious largeness. In that case, criticism would be more acutely directed at our objectives than at our execution.
     


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    Moreover, I think the question of proportion should only come after discussion of what someone is trying to achieve.

    +1. The formula exists in the first place to cause some kind of effect. It is not in of itself the destination. Golden ratio has its uses, but you don't need to use it everywhere or every time.

    --Andre
     


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    I'll say that being opposed to classifying what is aesthetically pleasing according to some hardcore canonical rules does not preclude separating what works from what doesn't.

    I have no problem with using hardcore canonical rules to classify what is
    aesthetically pleasing as long as one admits that there are many such rulesets
    and states which ruleset is in use.

    Rules themselves sometimes help creativity. Hence haiku.
     


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    This is why women say men get better with age. [​IMG]

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    They only say it to make you happy...
     


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    Arrrggg!!! Not another golden ratio shape idealist!!! I don't even like Mafoofan outfit but his answer was perfect and yours a perfect recipee for having absolutely no style.

    Thank you, that is a big compliment from members of this board.

    yeah. i can't think of a greater style atrocity than adhering to a 'golden rule of shape.' Nothing says 'stiff' to me louder than that...

    Thank you, I would rather be stiff than ugly.

    To talk about Yohji again, I remember reading an interview where he said the reason that he doesn't wear that type of "golden ratio" tailored clothing is because it makes him look very small, diminutive... almost like a kid in a suit. As such, he likes a larger proportion because it gives him (in his words) more "presence."

    In other words, Yoji used some visual illusions, of line and color, to create a bigger presence and hide his deficiencies at the same time.

    There's no doubt in my mind that proportions are key to making anything look good, but I don't think there's a simple formula to determine them as Mr. Jazzi supposes.

    Moreover, I think the question of proportion should only come after discussion of what someone is trying to achieve. Fade to Black and I both have bigger heads. It would be tempting to try and make them look smaller from the viewpoint of 'correctness'. But, a better analysis would first consider whether we are trying to hide the size of our heads in the first place--perhaps we are proudly displaying them in all their glorious largeness. In that case, criticism would be more acutely directed at our objectives than at our execution.


    Fade to Black's problem is his slanted shoulders (if I remembered correctly from the picture thread) and your problem is a big head. Two different issues.

    Yoji Yamamoto would be an good example of using visual illusions to hide body deficiencies. And assuming you purposefully highlighted your 'features' through impeccable tailoring, congratulations on the job well done.

    BTW, do you profess in law or related areas? Beautiful language but never straight to the point.
     


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