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Arnold brandt suits

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by johnnynorman3, May 9, 2004.

  1. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Senior member

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    Fused, for sure. But seems to be a nice cut and is Loro Piana fabric. I picked up one for $200 at Off Fifth (they are having a $100 off all reg. price suits, by the way, at least at mine they are). Is this a keeper? (by the way, I like the fabric, and the cut other than I wish the arm holes were slightly higher). Keep in mind that I need about 3 more suits, so if I can find a good deal on one or two, that allows me to spend more on the others.
     
  2. FCS

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    I think the chest is canvassed, if I remember correctly.
     
  3. MikeF

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    Canadian-made, comparable in quality, perhaps, to U.S.-made Hugo Boss. I wouldn't pay more than US$200 unless you adore it.
     
  4. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Senior member

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    Wouldn't pay more than $200...[​IMG]? I think this board is really funny. Arnold Brant's go for around 800 - $900 US in regular Saks stores. So, basically what you're saying is that you wouldn't pay more than 75% off retail price. This is what I then wonder: Do you say this because the value of the suit is only $200? Or because you know that you could get superior quality at a comparable price point (for example, a Canali at $400)? If it is the latter, then that just shows how well informed this board is -- and how poorly informed the rest of the market it (for example, why the hell are people buying Banana Republic suit for full price, when they could go to an outlet and get a Boss or a Canali for the same price or less???). But, my thoughts on the Arnold Brant. (1) The fabric is superior to Boss's. Brant uses Loro Piana 120s or better in almost all their suits. I actually picked up another one in Super 140s 5% cashmere for 200 as well (a black suit, for a wedding -- and I didn't want to pay up the wazzu for a black suit). Both the 140s and the Loro Piana have fantastic fabrics. (2) The construction is comparable to Boss, though I really like the cut a lot better. The jacket is a little shorter, the shoulders a dab narrower, and the cut a little more suppressed in the waist. (3) They actually have some really cool patterns. The black suit has the finest herringbone that you can barely see. But it creates a really rich black color that I just don't think the USA Boss's have. The other suit is a dark grey with an almost imperceptible (but just perceptible enough) blue windowpane pattern. Just a beautiful suit. (4) Though they are fused, the lapels have been shaped very well, and the three buttons are cut in such a way that if you leave the top button undone, it accentuates the roll a bit. (5) The fusing is very thin, comparable to Boss, which many people on this board claim does the best with fusing. I am very happy with the purchase and concur with the comparisons to Boss, though like I said, it has superior styling points. But the biggest thing is that the Boss's go for 499 at Off Fifth, while the Brant's go for 299. (I got it for 200 because of the 100 off deal). Spending 400 for the Boss's is just incomprehensible to me when another 100 can get you a Zileri, Canali, or Baldessarini. You know we really ought to start a list about the best suits in each price range. The older posts simply list "best suits" -- but to be honest, it does most people here no good to know that Oxxford has slightly more handwork than Kiton, and Kiton slightly more than Brioni. Or that Zileri Sartoria is better than Zileri white label. We all know these facts, and they are irrelevant because of the price points. Here's my sense of suits at certain price points: $1000 -- Oxxford (at Nieman Marcus Last Call, or Filene's Basement) $600 -- Hickey Freeman, Canali, Baldessarini; next tier Corneliani, Zileri (Off Fifth, Filenes, Hickey Outlet, Boss Outlet, etc.); lowest tier Mani (why?[​IMG]??) $500 -- Burberry, Boss, Polo Blue Label (see above, though Blue Labels seem to be a rare find) $400 -- Gianfranco Ferre Studio (why would you buy this at this price point?) $300 -- Arnold Brant, Southwick; next tier Calvin Klein Collection, DKNY (with the CK being far superior IMO to the DKNY).
     
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    Part of the problem is that US$200 is close to CAN$300, and the regular retail price on an Arnold Brandt suit in Canada is no more than CAN$900. Winners (Canada's Marshall's/TJ Maxx) has three or four Winners suits at CAN$350 right now, and they're not exactly flying out the door.
     
  6. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Prestige factors aside, I think that Arnold Brandt makes terrific suits in their price bracket, using much better materials and construction than found in their price bracket. The cuts are pretty good too, though I find them a little conservative for my taste. Then again, except for the occasional interview, I use my suits for social rather than business purposes.
     
  7. johnnynorman3

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    MikeF -- people don't know who Arnold Brant is. At the Off Fifth Sale, the DKNY's for the same price are flying out the door compared to the Arnold Brants -- ditto for the Calvin Klein Collection. Ridiculous.

    As for the conservative cut the last poster mentioned, I actually found just the opposite in the suits I got. I would describe the cut as "young conservative," meaning that they seem to fit my more athletic/lean build very well, but the fabrics are in grades and patterns that work very well in the business setting while not being simply navy/charcoal.
     
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    Very interesting - I know next to nothing about Arnold Brant, but my general impression was that they were kind of a poor man's Hickey-Freeman (i.e. incredibly boring, overly boxy sack suits) but it sounds like their styling may be better than I thought. I am going to an Off 5th tonight or tomorrow (sale ends tomorrow) and will definitely check out the AB suits.
     
  9. MilanoStyle

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    Arnold Bryant is Canadian designer (I believe). Here in Canada, its a label some what compareble to Hugo Boss Einstein line suits. But Hogo seems to cost $300CAD more than average AB suits.

    Quality? I do not know. I have not tried them yet. But when I spoke with sale staff @ Harry Rosen who exclusively carries AB suits in Canada says that AB suits are OK, but he recommands his clients Boss suits over AB.

    But $200 designer label suit is fantastic price if you ask me. I don't know how I can find a suit (the ones that I like and FITS well) in that price.
     
  10. MikeF

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    Arnold Brandt is a reasonably well-known name in Canada, and people still aren't buying it here.

    By the way, there's no way an Arnold Brandt suit is equal in construction quality to Calvin Klein Collection. Don't misunderstand me: Calvin Klein Collection suits are nothing special. That said, they're at least comparable to Armani Collezioni, which I think everyone can agree exceeds both Hugo Boss and Arnold Brandt in construction quality.
     
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    I just recently picked up my MTM Armani Collezioni suit and it is fabalous. You cannot compare the feel and workmanship of this suit and other fused and canvassed suits. Believe me, my suit fits like a glove and feels like a feather. Brioni got nothin on me [​IMG]
     
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    By the way, there's no way an Arnold Brandt suit is equal in construction quality to Calvin Klein Collection. Â Don't misunderstand me: Calvin Klein Collection suits are nothing special. Â That said, they're at least comparable to Armani Collezioni, which I think everyone can agree exceeds both Hugo Boss and Arnold Brandt in construction quality.
    I just recently picked up my MTM Armani Collezioni suit and it is fabalous. Â You cannot compare the feel and workmanship of this suit and other fused and canvassed suits. Â Believe me, my suit fits like a glove and feels like a feather. Â Brioni got nothin on me [​IMG]
    How much is Collezioni MTM in TO?
     
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    I paid $3100 CAD. Its the 3rd best (at least S150) fabric out of 8 or 9 fabrics.
     
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    Wow, is that the price before or after sales taxes? Milano, did you get the fabrics as jobber's or from Armani's inventory? What mill is it from?

    And I'm guessing this is from Rosen? I think they run Collezioni trunk sale a while ago.
     
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    A Brioni would be much, much better made, but if you like your Armani, good for you. There's no debating that the construction is mediocre, however - no matter how much you like it.
     
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    I got it from at Holt.. yeah .. thats after tax.

    MTM collezioni starts at ~ $2150 CAD before tax.. mine was around ~ $2700 before tax...

    The sales person says the fabrics are from Zegna Mill and its one of the top fabrics among Zenga's textile lines..

    This suit is fused, but fusing is so thin, therefore whole suit is very light. Also the lapels do not roll flat like Hugo Boss suits. It roll just high enough, creating very luxerious european look.. the way I like it (I think Canali rolls too high). The suit is totally unreal. When I was trying it on, all other customers and sales staffs were checking me out... I am not lying ..

    I am very happy with this suit the fact that the suit fits and look unbelievable. But I would not get another Collezioni MTM suit simply that I do not feel that I need same style suits.

    The next suit, I am thinking of Zegna Sartorial line MTM ..
     
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    I sure hope it is .. when a suit costs $3700 CAD RTW and $4000CAD entry MTM fabric.

    I really do not feel like paying that much for a suit. If I want canvased suit, I will be satisfied with Zegna or Canali.
     
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    Milano, post some pics if you don't mind. I'm curious to see how flattering a $3100 fused suit could be.
     
  19. Carlo

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    I'm curious - NOT bashing Armani - why not go with a bespoke suit for that kind of dough? Fusing on the Collezioni is done pretty well but still does not last like a floating canvas construction.

    One thing I will give Armani - with the exception of the Berber Carpet sportcoats and the super low gorge of a few years back most of what Armani puts out is visually pleasing.

    I have a feeling that if it feels great on you and you feel that you look great in it then you are a winner - it is less the suit and more the confidence - IMHO - that really makes you look like a Million bucks (and hey, even in Canadian a million doesn't suck.).
     
  20. johnnynorman3

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    MikeF -- people don't know who Arnold Brant is. Â At the Off Fifth Sale, the DKNY's for the same price are flying out the door compared to the Arnold Brants -- ditto for the Calvin Klein Collection. Â Ridiculous. Â
    Arnold Brandt is a reasonably well-known name in Canada, and people still aren't buying it here. By the way, there's no way an Arnold Brandt suit is equal in construction quality to Calvin Klein Collection. Â Don't misunderstand me: Calvin Klein Collection suits are nothing special. Â That said, they're at least comparable to Armani Collezioni, which I think everyone can agree exceeds both Hugo Boss and Arnold Brandt in construction quality.
    I stopped by the Off Fifth store again today in hopes that they received some Baldessarinis or Hickey Freemans (turns out that today they just got some ugly Hugo Boss's -- really bizarre pinstripes that only peacocks would go for). But, I again checked out the Calvin Klein Collection (priced at $399 actually, not the $299 I originally thought). I just don't see the comparison to Armani Collezioni. Are you thinking of Klein's black label? The Collection line regularly RETAILS for $695, well below both AB and Boss. The fabric was decent, and it appeared as though the collar may have been hand felled, but other than that I don't see how you could compare it to an Armani Collezioni. I also felt the styling left much to be desired (it had the two button stance where the second button is sort of in no man's land just below the belly button).
     

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