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Kai

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yeah, my rifle is actually a Bushmaster Target 20 with some "modifications".  between the laser sight and the streamlight stinger hp, the would be robbers were a bit intimidated.  I also have a pre-94 Ingram Mac-10, and about 8 pistols... Gun shows in Kentucky are nice, I stopped by on the way to Florida several times.
You are clearly a gentleman with excellent taste.
 

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How many times have you ever heard of a home robbery in which the home owner pulled out a gun, yelled "get out of here or I shoot," and then the robbery left the house? Honestly, have you ever heard of this? Because surely I have not. Some of the stereotypes here are really aggravating, particularly the discussion about rich black men in L.A. But I'm not going to touch it beyond that.
 

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How many times have you ever heard of a home robbery in which the home owner pulled out a gun, yelled "get out of here or I shoot," and then the robbery left the house? Honestly, have you ever heard of this? Because surely I have not. Some of the stereotypes here are really aggravating, particularly the discussion about rich black men in L.A. But I'm not going to touch it beyond that.
I'd estimate about two or three times a year here in Dallas I read news reports about intruders running away or being shot. It happens.
 

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I imagine the quantity of times when an intruder enters someone's house with a knife or other weapon and is confronted with someone with a gun to be fairly substantial. I know what the statistics say, but personally I would be more comfortable handling the situation with my target 20 in hand than pretending to be asleep and hoping an intruder didn't harm me.
 

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How many times have you ever heard of a home robbery in which the home owner pulled out a gun, yelled "get out of here or I shoot," and then the robbery left the house? Honestly, have you ever heard of this? Because surely I have not. Some of the stereotypes here are really aggravating, particularly the discussion about rich black men in L.A. But I'm not going to touch it beyond that.
Here in Colorado, its a "Make my day" state. Homeowners don't usually yell at the robber to leave. They just shoot the robber. I can think of two instances in the Denver metro area of this sort of thing in the past year. A guy I know foiled a carjacking/kidnapping last year by shooting his assailant. The carjacker's big mistake was saying "move over" as opposed to "get out." He would have been more than happy to get out and give the carjacker his car, but he was't going to go anywhere with the carjacker. Luckily, his gun gave him an option he otherwise wouldn't have had.
 

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I guess it's different in other states then. From what I hear, very few people here in San Diego carry a gun.
 

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I guess it's different in other states then. From what I hear, very few people here in San Diego carry a gun.
In Texas, you can carry a concealed weapon as long as you have a license and are not a felon.

I *believe* a Federal law allows any non-felon carrying more than $10,000 in cash to carry a concealed handgun across state lines. In a previous life before she met me, my wife used to carry $30,000 to $40,000 in cash with her to buy motorcycles and personal watercraft (Ski-Doos and such) at foreclosure / seized property auctions around the country. She says she carried a handgun with her at all times.

Nowadays, we live in a gated community in the heart of Dallas with four large iron gates and a 24/7/365 staff of security guards. As far as I know, we don't have any guns in our house, although my wife could very well have some hidden away. Despite childhood hunting trips to which my father dragged me, I've never owned or shot a gun of any type myself.
 

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OC is pretty safe but I have a concealed carry permit and carry at all times regardless, better to be safe, I own around 8-10 firearms, mostly handguns but the target 20 and a dragunov as well.
 

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When I move to the states and buy a home, i'll be buying a gun the same week. Right now I live in a highrise with good security so unless someone pulls a gun on the security guards and makes them open the door to the elevator area, they likely wouldn't be able to get up to my apartment even if they wanted to. Even up here in peaceful canada though, I've had some bad experiences. Last year I was living in a rowhouse apartment right in the center of downtown montreal, just off ste-catherine's st. It was a nice, newly renovated building. Unfortunately, it was a joke to get in to. The front of the building has a plastic box with a keyhole in it so that the mailman can get in to the entrance area and deliver us our mail. Some guy broke the box with a rock, touched two wires together, and the door opened for him. The post office replaced it with a metal box, but still.... I was thankfully awake and watching a movie at 2am. I didn't hear him breaking the plastic box outside, but i heard something in my keyhole. At first i just figured it was a drunk neighbor at the wrong door, but when I heard the knob turn I got up and looked through the peep-hole. Even at first when I thought it was just a drunken neighbor, it's a terrifying feeling when you hear someone trying to open the door to your residence. Without opening the door, I said to the guy standing on the other side, that i was pretty sure he had the wrong door. He said he was looking for someone and insisted they lived in my apartment. I figured he was pretty harmless at first so I gave him a chance before calling the cops. Once it became clear he wasn't leaving and wanted to come in, i told him to get lost or i'd call the cops, at which point he started threatening me and saying he was gonna come back with his friends and beat the shit out of me. I stopped talking to him and called the cops at this point, but he left before they arrived. The whole night I was wondering if he'd come back as he promised to. He actually did, although just to throw something at my window. This could have played out in many different ways, most of the outcomes would have been worse. My parenst also have a house out in the country. I was home alone when I was 18 once and I heard footsteps on the deck. I grabbed a knife and went upstairs to turn on the lights, hopefully scare them away by doign so, and see if I could see anything. When I saw a human's shadow on the deck I immediately called the police (till then it coulda been an animal or something). Thankfully, the guy was easily scared because out where my parents house is, it still takes the cops 20minutes to get there if they respond immediately. Our house is in the middle of 5 acres. Nobody has an excuse for being that far in. Here's another story. I know a guy who came home one day to find a crackhead robbing his house. I can only imagine what woulda happened to his wife or daughters if they were home. Maybe nothing, or maybe the worst; crackheads are among the lowest scum of the earth. Unfortunately for Mr. Crackhead, this guy was an irish mobster that weighed in at about 240 and loved giving beatings. His eyes used to light-up when he was telling stories, he really enjoyed it. When he walked in on this crackhead robbing his house, i swear that it made his day. Instead of calling the cops, he took him down to his basement where he kept him tied-up and gagged for a week. I'll leave it up to your imaginations what he did to the guy during that week. I'll tell you this much, that dude won't be robbing too many houses in the future. My cousins live in a nice house on lake superior in a quiet neighborhood up in northern ontario. They've been burglarized 3 or 4 times i think. Luckily for them, it's always been while they weren't home. Again, I live in canada. It's supposedly nice and safe up here. Just the other day on cnn.com I saw that some kids broke in to an old granny's house to burglarize her. one of them decided to make her undress for him in the bedroom.. He was 11 and she was 75 i think.... Now tell me I don't need a gun for home defense. As far as i'm concerned, if someone steps foot into your house with criminal intent, they're fair game to be shot. Who knows whether they're just trying to steal your silverware or rape and murder your family while you sleep? They have no business being there. You shouldn't have to play fair with them, as they're not playing fair with you. You don't know if they're junkies (who can be quite dangerous), kids looking for a quick and easy score, or serial killers. The point is, they shouldn't be there. Maybe my views seem extreme to some people, but having someone try and break-in to your house and then threaten to come back with other people to beat you is unsettling. I know I would have slept better the following week if I had one of these by my bed. I only wish you could buy assault weapons for home defense in canada
 

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I know I would have slept better the following week if I had one of these by my bed. I only wish you could buy assault weapons for home defense in canada
(Note: The link on the word "These" led to a H&K 9mm MP5)

Well, you can't technically buy one of those legally here in The States, either. At least not a fully automatic one. Full auto has been banned since the 1930s although I'm sure that there are ways, both legally and highly illegally to purchase them. Common missconception, especially by the news media, especially in the past few weeks with the expiration of the "assault weapons ban," which only banned weapons with folding or collapsable stocks, a bayonet notch, higher capacity magazines, etc. Plus, do you really need an MP5 for home protection?

There is nothing inherently evil about firearms, contrary to what Rosie O'Donnell or Martin Sheen would say. They can be used for evil, by a person who wants to do that. Or they can be a hobby, or a sport, or potentially a lifesaver, all if done safely. Safety is the number one priority. If you want to purchase a firearm for personal protection, do so. First, however, take a safety course, learn how to use your gun properly and safely. If you have children in the house, lock it up, or better yet, take them to a safety course where they will learn how to respect firearms and not play with them.

That being said, I have recently been looking at different firearms, not that I'm in a hurry to get one. I've gone to the range with my uncle many times and its always been an enjoyable hobby. Taurus has a nice new series, the 24/7, in a variety of calibers. You can't go wrong with Glocks. Ruger always makes a pretty quality product too, at least in my experience.
 

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I really like that briefcase MP5... (drools)
 

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Nowadays, we live in a gated community in the heart of Dallas with four large iron gates and a 24/7/365 staff of security guards.
Man, this makes me glad that I live in Massachusetts right now. There's an old saying that the more cops there are, the less safe a neighbourhood is. The whole "gated community" thing, and there were a lot of them in SoCal, just gives me the creeps.

As for the idea of firearms for home protection: the majority of gunshot injuries and deaths occur at home, in accidents/ Furthermore, it's the societal idea that one needs a gun to protect oneself that leads to gun proliferation, including in the criminal element. Remember, gangsters are part of our society too. Violent cultures beget violent criminals.
 

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LA Guy, funny that you said that, I feel much safer here in Orange County than when I was living in Cambridge, I had one attempted mugging and was shot at once (once in Cambridge, once in Boston)

As for the thing with accidents, I can break down any of my guns and reassemble quickly and am an pretty good shot, and have no kids, so I am not worried about accidents. I also have my quick release gun safe right next to my bed and various other weapons within quick reach.

Full auto is very overrated, I have one of my weapons modified for three round burst (which is legal in some but not all states) and even that is less accurate than semi-automatic, you don't really need that unless you are fighting against an entire host of assailants, and full auto is extremely inaccurate.
 

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As for the thing with accidents, I can break down any of my guns and reassemble quickly and am an pretty good shot, and have no kids, so I am not worried about accidents.  I also have my quick release gun safe right next to my bed and various other weapons within quick reach.
Amen, brother. Very responsible, and if something unfortunate should happen, your knowledge and experience with your guns will definatly work to your advantage. One of my greatest fears and pet peeves is someone who buys a gun for the sole fact that it's "cool" or that they are so scared that they feel it's the only way to survive. Granted, some areas are worse than others, but living in fear is not the best way, and it can lead to tragic accidents.

My neighbor is the stereotypical suburbanite white boy- he drives around in his newer SUV with a monster sound system blaring 50 Cent and Eazy E, yet when he goes into the city to go to clubs he arms his car with all sorts of weapons, legal and illegal (brass knuckles, collapsable batons, switchblades & other knives, and a few illegally purchased pistols). I'm not saying its a rolling arsenal, but its a little much. He is the perfect case for a possible accident, because he's so scared, yet he feels like such a bad ass with his weapons, that he probably won't use his best judgement, and a minor incident could become a very major one fast.

I just read an article where about innocent bystander got shot at a college party because someone was pissed that their shot glass collection was stolen and confronted someone with a gun about it. The gun went off, only grazed the confronted one and hit the girl bystander in the throat. This happened about a year ago, the girl was a soccer player and her teammates are still dealing with her loss. Did some innocent person have to die over some shot glasses? How many other people have been injured or killed because some dumbass who didn't act safe or was so scared that it impacted their judgement? Its not the guns' fault, it's the stupid motherf**kers who don't have training with their guns and act too hastly.
 

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the comment about accidents being the number one cause of injuries/deaths fairly begs for statistical backup. not that that's a huge argument against gun ownership in the first place. idiots will be idiots. it may indeed be an argument in favor of gun safety courses.

i would rather say, complacent cultures beget violent criminals. the lack of personal responsibility for security creates an environment ripe for 'bad guys' to exploit, since they know that centralized security cannot be all-seeing. it's the "don't get caught" mentality.

/andrew - packin'.
 

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