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Armed robbery

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by NavyStyles, May 3, 2004.

  1. Sevcom

    Sevcom Senior member

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    For home defense, I'd think you'd want a shotgun--handgun bullets have the nasty tendency to penetrate walls pretty well. Besides, it's easier to obtain the former, and easier to handle in high-stress situations absent rigorous training. Although, statistically, I don't know how much worth any sort of gun for home defense has.

    NavyStyles, like others have said, sorry you had to go through that. You can run through all the things you might have done differently, but all that matters is that you're still around to type it up in the first place.
     
  2. TheeTRI-RcR

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    i've never known a white guy who even owned a gun.
    I plan on purchasing a handgun when I turn 21. Â I believe that home defense is important. Â I don't live in a high-crime area at all, but there are a few hundred murders in my city each year, and it's good to be prepared to defend yourself if the situation calls for it. A guy I know went to a gun show a few days after his 18th birthday. Â For $375, he purchased an AK-47 (not full auto), a 10-round clip and two 30-round clips, and 250 rounds of piercing ammunition. Â He bought it mostly for show, but enjoys shooting it on occasion.
    Handguns are made to KILL, that's it, JUST KILL. Also, as noted by Styles, if you're being robbed you are not in control of the situation, so to think you can pull you concealed weapon and then use it on the assaulter--is just absurd. Moreover, in any situation no matter the intensity if you pull your firearm out you better come out blazin--you don't know what anyone else in the room is thinking or carrying. Again in Styles' case the assaulter already had a beat if his finger flinched you are fvcked. I hold this position because I believe in guns, the safe and proper use of guns. And frankly a person like you, with what I can take from you post is not the type of person that needs a firearm of any sort. The best 'preparation' one can have is to be aware of his/her surrounding at all times. RcR
     
  3. LA Guy

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    I am too. And that is hilarious. Actually, I actually did Jet Li two Cholos who were messing with my bike (I know, who bikes in LA) near a strip club and a Mexican restaurant way, way, east on the long street just south (or north) of Garvey (I think, geez its' been only 9 months, and I'm forgetting street names already), during my first year in LA. I was 22 then. Yeah, I had some martial arts training, but mostly, I just just pissed and they just didn't see it coming (Angry skinny Asian at 9 o'clock.) Otherwise, I might not have had the opportunity to be writing this now. I hope I'm a little more circumspect in my old age, and wouldn't pull dumb shit like that anymore, especially with the proliferation of handguns in the LA area.

    I miss the boba shops full of yappy Asian girls.

    This makes me so glad that I'm a Canadian and that I lived in Pasadena and now in Cambridge MA. That is plain crazy.
     
  4. NavyStyles

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    Yeah, I only say I would've done anything had I been carrying a gun at the time. But, quite honestly, I think I would've been just as scared staring down the barrel of that shotgun -- whether or not I was armed. And, it may have made no difference, but I was carrying two pocket knives (which I do at all times); I've wondered if they would've acted any differently if I had emptied my pockets like they told us.
     
  5. VMan

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    I plan on purchasing a handgun when I turn 21. Â I believe that home defense is important. Â
    For home defense, I'd think you'd want a shotgun--handgun bullets have the nasty tendency to penetrate walls pretty well. Besides, it's easier to obtain the former, and easier to handle in high-stress situations absent rigorous training. Although, statistically, I don't know how much worth any sort of gun for home defense has. NavyStyles, like others have said, sorry you had to go through that. You can run through all the things you might have done differently, but all that matters is that you're still around to type it up in the first place.
    The only problem with a shotgun is the spray factor. You don't want to catch anyone else with the shot. The only thing would be to get slug cartridges instead of shot. Still, its hard to beat the intimidation factor of a SPAZ-12 or a Streetsweeper shotgun. As far as the penetrating factor of handguns, you need to pick the weapon carefully. If you get a .50 Desert Eagle or a .44 Magnum, the bullet will shoot straight through a person and still have enough velocity to kill someone standing behind them. Not something you want. Personally, I haven't fired a shotgun. I've shot using a .22 Luger, Beretta .25 (tiny concealable gun, fits easily in the palm of your hand), .387, .38 Special, .44, .44 Magnum, and a Taurus 9mm. A shotgun can get cumbersome when you need to make fast movements. Plus, the recoil, limited round capacity, and size can be drawbacks. I guess each one has it's perks.
     
  6. VMan

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    Quote i've never known a white guy who even owned a gun.
    I plan on purchasing a handgun when I turn 21. Â I believe that home defense is important. Â I don't live in a high-crime area at all, but there are a few hundred murders in my city each year, and it's good to be prepared to defend yourself if the situation calls for it. A guy I know went to a gun show a few days after his 18th birthday. Â For $375, he purchased an AK-47 (not full auto), a 10-round clip and two 30-round clips, and 250 rounds of piercing ammunition. Â He bought it mostly for show, but enjoys shooting it on occasion.
    Handguns are made to KILL, that's it, JUST KILL. Also, as noted by Styles, if you're being robbed you are not in control of the situation, so to think you can pull you concealed weapon and then use it on the assaulter--is just absurd. Moreover, in any situation no matter the intensity if you pull your firearm out you better come out blazin--you don't know what anyone else in the room is thinking or carrying. Again in Styles' case the assaulter already had a beat if his finger flinched you are fvcked. I hold this position because I believe in guns, the safe and proper use of guns. And frankly a person like you, with what I can take from you post is not the type of person that needs a firearm of any sort. The best 'preparation' one can have is to be aware of his/her surrounding at all times. RcR[/quote] I wasn't talking about buying a gun and keeping it on yourself when you are out and about. That is sure to make a bad situation worse. I'm talking about keeping one in my house for strictly home defense. I really don't plan on ever having to use it, but if the situation ever comes up, I may be glad that I purchased it. I find it rather insulting that you so freely judge my position on the grounds of one post I made. I'm not suggesting carrying a hidden weapon at all. That can only make a bad situation worse. I agree that it is best to be aware of your surroundings and avoid bad situations before they occur.
     
  7. Sevcom

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    True. Still, I'd probably pick a shotgun because a) you're more likely to hit something, and most likely any intruders, b) it's more intimidating than most pistols, and therefore c) I'd hope the odds are I won't have to use it. Besides, with a decent stance, a 20-gauge shotgun's recoil isn't that bad. Of course, it's best not to have to fire the weapon in the first place, but if you do you shouldn't need more than one shot.

    Of course, since I'm moving back to NYC in the fall, this is all only theoretical for me.
     
  8. MikeF

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    This is crazy talk. I don't like the idea of my neighbours having guns (they don't, nor does anyone else I know), let alone keeping one in my home. But forget about the comfort factor: are you really going to whip out your gun to defend yourself next time you're confronted in your home? What are the chances you'll thwart the confrontation rather than escalating it? What in your home could be so important or valuable that you'd risk injuring or killing another (or, God forbid, yourself) in order to protect it?
     
  9. VMan

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    I plan on purchasing a handgun when I turn 21. Â I believe that home defense is important. Â I don't live in a high-crime area at all, but there are a few hundred murders in my city each year, and it's good to be prepared to defend yourself if the situation calls for it.
    This is crazy talk. Â I don't like the idea of my neighbours having guns (they don't, nor does anyone else I know), let alone keeping one in my home. Â But forget about the comfort factor: are you really going to whip out your gun to defend yourself next time you're confronted in your home? Â What are the chances you'll thwart the confrontation rather than escalating it? Â What in your home could be so important or valuable that you'd risk injuring or killing another (or, God forbid, yourself) in order to protect it?
    What in my home could be important enough to kill someone for? My life or the life of a loved one. Every year in my city there are several crimes in which the robber breaks into the house during the middle of the night, kills the occupants, and then takes what he wishes - leaving no witnesses. Also, there were a few cases where the robbers scoped out wealthy areas and looked for houses with the plastic security signs out in front - you know, the ones that say 'Protected by ADT' or something. They proceded to rob the houses during broad daylight, because they knew the occupants were at home and most likely the security system was turned off while at home. They shot everyone in the house and robbed them blind. This is why I believe it's important to own a gun. Marquette University is one of the top law schools in the midwest. It is located in my city, right on the border of one of the worst parts of the city. Every year several students and shot and then robbed, right on campus. That's cold blood right there. They don't even give them a chance to run away, they shoot them first to avoid witnesses.
     
  10. MikeF

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    If you live in a city that has a problem with people randomly invading homes and killing their occupants, perhaps you should move to another city - or, since you live in the U.S., to another country - rather than arming yourself with a shotgun/AK-47/whatever. Only in America would the idea of having a little shootout in one's own home bring anyone any "security".
     
  11. VMan

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    A burglar is one of the most dangerous people you will meet. You have no idea who they are or what they are capable of doing, but one thing is certain - they have no sense of right or wrong.

    The most dangerous person you will meet is someone with no shame, no conscience, no feeling of guilt, and no remorse. They will feel free to do anything they want and feel no sense of wrong-doing, including killing someone for their possessions. I automatically deduce that someone breaking into your house in the middle of the night fits into the above category. What other kind of person would do such a thing? You have to assume the worst (that they have a gun and are planning to use it) in order to protect yourself.
     
  12. vero_group

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    It's ingrained in our culture and in our Constitution. It isn't going to change anytime soon.
     
  13. VMan

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    It happens in any large city. You don't have to live in a bad area to have problems. My campus is located in the wealthiest part of the city. Three blocks East are multi-million dollar homes, yet if you go 9 blocks west you are in a horrible area - one of the worst. Maybe I'm over-reacting by saying that I want to purchase a gun. I just think that it would be good to have in case the worst happens. The area I grew up in is a suburb of the city I live in. No crime. No murders for the past 50 years. I feel very safe there. I'm just saying that you never know what happens. Most of the crimes I talked about happen in the worst areas, yet you do read about crimes taking place in wealthy areas - obviously criminals have cars and are willing to drive a few miles to pull off a better robbery.

    I'm not scared for my life, and I'm not planning on having to ever use a gun for defense. I just feel that it's better to own a gun and know you can defend yourself in a time of need than be unarmed and face death, knowing that you can't do anything but plead with a man who will probably end up killing you.
     
  14. MikeF

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    I don't really see the connection between committing burglary and not having a conscience. Have you ever read Les Miserables?

    Also: I think there's something a bit perverse about believing that every burglar is not only armed, but armed and bloodthirsty. I suppose it accords with your belief that all burglars lack a conscience, but I don't think either belief accords with reality, in your city or elsewhere.
     
  15. LA Guy

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    This is a scary thread.

    If there was a robber in my home, I wouldn't wait around to figure out whether he was armed or unarmed. I would grab my cell, and get the hell out of there before calling 911. Dammit if I'm gonna risk my life for a crappy t.v. and a bunch of sneakers.

    And if he was going to shoot me before robbing me anyway, I don't see how the gun (and remember, ammo should be kept stored separately for safety reasons) is going to help me in any way.
     
  16. jpeirpont

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    Really, where are you from?
     
  17. VMan

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    A burglar is one of the most dangerous people you will meet. Â You have no idea who they are or what they are capable of doing, but one thing is certain - they have no sense of right or wrong. The most dangerous person you will meet is someone with no shame, no conscience, no feeling of guilt, and no remorse. Â They will feel free to do anything they want and feel no sense of wrong-doing, including killing someone for their possessions. Â I automatically deduce that someone breaking into your house in the middle of the night fits into the above category. Â What other kind of person would do such a thing? Â You have to assume the worst (that they have a gun and are planning to use it) in order to protect yourself.
    I don't really see the connection between committing burglary and not having a conscience. Â Have you ever read Les Miserables? Also: I think there's something a bit perverse about believing that every burglar is not only armed, but armed and bloodthirsty. Â I suppose it accords with your belief that all burglars lack a conscience, but I don't think either belief accords with reality, in your city or elsewhere.
    Yes, I have read Les Mis. I think the only difference is that society during that time was much more civil (perhaps not the right word) and much less aggressive (perhaps also not the correct word). You're giving modern-day criminals way too much credit. My point was that someone who is committing robbery (not theft) in an occupied house clearly has no morals or conscience. Someone who could do such an act is clearly a dangerous person. My point was that once a person breaks into your house when you are home, you need to assume the worst. If I were to break into someone's house in the middle of the night, I would fully expect to be shot if that person did own a gun.
     
  18. matadorpoeta

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    i don't see many black people who look rich and i see even fewer who are well dressed.
    Really, where are you from?
    i'm from l.a. it so says so under my avatar, location: los angeles
     
  19. jpeirpont

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    Rich relative to Whites or other minorities?
     
  20. Valmont

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    This is why I'm glad I don't live in the states. Here in Sweden ppl get so much free money from the govt no one bothers to commit crime, except for some random junkies or immigrants.
    Why go out and "work" at nights when they can sit at home and collect govt cheques =)
     

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