Armed robbery

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    I plan on purchasing a handgun when I turn 21. Â I believe that home defense is important. Â I don't live in a high-crime area at all, but there are a few hundred murders in my city each year, and it's good to be prepared to defend yourself if the situation calls for it. A guy I know went to a gun show a few days after his 18th birthday. Â For $375, he purchased an AK-47 (not full auto), a 10-round clip and two 30-round clips, and 250 rounds of piercing ammunition. Â He bought it mostly for show, but enjoys shooting it on occasion.
    Jesus christ - say what you will about New York, but we have some of the strictess gun laws in the country and I'm safer for it.
    Yeah, but the criminals or 'bad guys' are going to get their hands on a gun no matter how strict the laws are.
     


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    I could see the fact that fewer white guys actually carry the guns they own than other ethnicities as true. Oddly enough, my best friend, who keeps a handgun in his car (and has better aim than anyone, because of his frequent hunting trips), was visiting me the day before this happened. And he was supposed to be with me on Saturday night, but he left early. Granted, since we were walking, it probably would've gone down the same way. j, thanks for the link. I appreciate it, and I don't think I'll go too psycho. Versace, I also plan on purchasing a gun (around the same time I purchase a house). And I think if I had displayed one of those four guns during the robbery, the tables would've really turned: I think I would've "gone Medieval on their asses."
     


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    ...or you could have gotten shot. It's always fun to think about but if you don't avoid a situation like that it's unlikely you will be able to shoot your way out of it. More likely you could escalate the situation to a worse outcome. I have considered carrying (and actually have, a couple of times) but I don't have the training necessary and I don't feel responsible enough to do it safely.

    As sucky as it is to say, even the tame city I live in has its dangers. Some guy got stabbed to death down the street from me on Easter, and apparently two cars were racing down my street around the same time shooting at each other. You never know... and if something comes up I'd rather be the one left alive.

    If you are considering buying a pistol for carry, I suggest looking into the Kel-Tec P3AT (.380). It looks like a toy, it's tiny and plastic but apparently it shoots well and is small enough you will actually carry it all the time.
     


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    Interesting theory, LA Guy. Â Here are some possible explanations I came up with: 1. Mugger worried that potential Asian target will "Jackie Chan" his ass. 2. Asians are studying too much to have a paying job and spending money. 3. Karaoke bars, sushi restaurants, and bo-bo tea houses are generally in good parts of town. 4. Why walk two blocks through a sketchy neighborhood when you can drive and circle around the block for a half-hour looking for a parking space while showing off your souped-up Acura Integra blasting New Order's "Substance"? I can make these stereotyping comments because I'm Asian. Â [​IMG] Seriously, NavyStyles, I second the thoughts of the other posters -- I'm glad you're okay. Â Unfortunately, as the other posts indicate, it seems like what happened to you comes with the territory of living or going to school in a big city. Â A college friend was mugged in the street behind our dorm. Â All this kind of gives me pause as to whether I really want to move into the city from the 'burbs.
     


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    For home defense, I'd think you'd want a shotgun--handgun bullets have the nasty tendency to penetrate walls pretty well. Besides, it's easier to obtain the former, and easier to handle in high-stress situations absent rigorous training. Although, statistically, I don't know how much worth any sort of gun for home defense has.

    NavyStyles, like others have said, sorry you had to go through that. You can run through all the things you might have done differently, but all that matters is that you're still around to type it up in the first place.
     


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    i've never known a white guy who even owned a gun.
    I plan on purchasing a handgun when I turn 21. Â I believe that home defense is important. Â I don't live in a high-crime area at all, but there are a few hundred murders in my city each year, and it's good to be prepared to defend yourself if the situation calls for it. A guy I know went to a gun show a few days after his 18th birthday. Â For $375, he purchased an AK-47 (not full auto), a 10-round clip and two 30-round clips, and 250 rounds of piercing ammunition. Â He bought it mostly for show, but enjoys shooting it on occasion.
    Handguns are made to KILL, that's it, JUST KILL. Also, as noted by Styles, if you're being robbed you are not in control of the situation, so to think you can pull you concealed weapon and then use it on the assaulter--is just absurd. Moreover, in any situation no matter the intensity if you pull your firearm out you better come out blazin--you don't know what anyone else in the room is thinking or carrying. Again in Styles' case the assaulter already had a beat if his finger flinched you are fvcked. I hold this position because I believe in guns, the safe and proper use of guns. And frankly a person like you, with what I can take from you post is not the type of person that needs a firearm of any sort. The best 'preparation' one can have is to be aware of his/her surrounding at all times. RcR
     


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    I am too. And that is hilarious. Actually, I actually did Jet Li two Cholos who were messing with my bike (I know, who bikes in LA) near a strip club and a Mexican restaurant way, way, east on the long street just south (or north) of Garvey (I think, geez its' been only 9 months, and I'm forgetting street names already), during my first year in LA. I was 22 then. Yeah, I had some martial arts training, but mostly, I just just pissed and they just didn't see it coming (Angry skinny Asian at 9 o'clock.) Otherwise, I might not have had the opportunity to be writing this now. I hope I'm a little more circumspect in my old age, and wouldn't pull dumb shit like that anymore, especially with the proliferation of handguns in the LA area.

    I miss the boba shops full of yappy Asian girls.

    This makes me so glad that I'm a Canadian and that I lived in Pasadena and now in Cambridge MA. That is plain crazy.
     


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    Yeah, I only say I would've done anything had I been carrying a gun at the time. But, quite honestly, I think I would've been just as scared staring down the barrel of that shotgun -- whether or not I was armed. And, it may have made no difference, but I was carrying two pocket knives (which I do at all times); I've wondered if they would've acted any differently if I had emptied my pockets like they told us.
     


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    I plan on purchasing a handgun when I turn 21. Â I believe that home defense is important. Â
    For home defense, I'd think you'd want a shotgun--handgun bullets have the nasty tendency to penetrate walls pretty well. Besides, it's easier to obtain the former, and easier to handle in high-stress situations absent rigorous training. Although, statistically, I don't know how much worth any sort of gun for home defense has. NavyStyles, like others have said, sorry you had to go through that. You can run through all the things you might have done differently, but all that matters is that you're still around to type it up in the first place.
    The only problem with a shotgun is the spray factor. You don't want to catch anyone else with the shot. The only thing would be to get slug cartridges instead of shot. Still, its hard to beat the intimidation factor of a SPAZ-12 or a Streetsweeper shotgun. As far as the penetrating factor of handguns, you need to pick the weapon carefully. If you get a .50 Desert Eagle or a .44 Magnum, the bullet will shoot straight through a person and still have enough velocity to kill someone standing behind them. Not something you want. Personally, I haven't fired a shotgun. I've shot using a .22 Luger, Beretta .25 (tiny concealable gun, fits easily in the palm of your hand), .387, .38 Special, .44, .44 Magnum, and a Taurus 9mm. A shotgun can get cumbersome when you need to make fast movements. Plus, the recoil, limited round capacity, and size can be drawbacks. I guess each one has it's perks.
     


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    Quote i've never known a white guy who even owned a gun.
    I plan on purchasing a handgun when I turn 21. Â I believe that home defense is important. Â I don't live in a high-crime area at all, but there are a few hundred murders in my city each year, and it's good to be prepared to defend yourself if the situation calls for it. A guy I know went to a gun show a few days after his 18th birthday. Â For $375, he purchased an AK-47 (not full auto), a 10-round clip and two 30-round clips, and 250 rounds of piercing ammunition. Â He bought it mostly for show, but enjoys shooting it on occasion.
    Handguns are made to KILL, that's it, JUST KILL. Also, as noted by Styles, if you're being robbed you are not in control of the situation, so to think you can pull you concealed weapon and then use it on the assaulter--is just absurd. Moreover, in any situation no matter the intensity if you pull your firearm out you better come out blazin--you don't know what anyone else in the room is thinking or carrying. Again in Styles' case the assaulter already had a beat if his finger flinched you are fvcked. I hold this position because I believe in guns, the safe and proper use of guns. And frankly a person like you, with what I can take from you post is not the type of person that needs a firearm of any sort. The best 'preparation' one can have is to be aware of his/her surrounding at all times. RcR[/quote] I wasn't talking about buying a gun and keeping it on yourself when you are out and about. That is sure to make a bad situation worse. I'm talking about keeping one in my house for strictly home defense. I really don't plan on ever having to use it, but if the situation ever comes up, I may be glad that I purchased it. I find it rather insulting that you so freely judge my position on the grounds of one post I made. I'm not suggesting carrying a hidden weapon at all. That can only make a bad situation worse. I agree that it is best to be aware of your surroundings and avoid bad situations before they occur.
     


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    True. Still, I'd probably pick a shotgun because a) you're more likely to hit something, and most likely any intruders, b) it's more intimidating than most pistols, and therefore c) I'd hope the odds are I won't have to use it. Besides, with a decent stance, a 20-gauge shotgun's recoil isn't that bad. Of course, it's best not to have to fire the weapon in the first place, but if you do you shouldn't need more than one shot.

    Of course, since I'm moving back to NYC in the fall, this is all only theoretical for me.
     


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    This is crazy talk. I don't like the idea of my neighbours having guns (they don't, nor does anyone else I know), let alone keeping one in my home. But forget about the comfort factor: are you really going to whip out your gun to defend yourself next time you're confronted in your home? What are the chances you'll thwart the confrontation rather than escalating it? What in your home could be so important or valuable that you'd risk injuring or killing another (or, God forbid, yourself) in order to protect it?
     


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    I plan on purchasing a handgun when I turn 21. Â I believe that home defense is important. Â I don't live in a high-crime area at all, but there are a few hundred murders in my city each year, and it's good to be prepared to defend yourself if the situation calls for it.
    This is crazy talk. Â I don't like the idea of my neighbours having guns (they don't, nor does anyone else I know), let alone keeping one in my home. Â But forget about the comfort factor: are you really going to whip out your gun to defend yourself next time you're confronted in your home? Â What are the chances you'll thwart the confrontation rather than escalating it? Â What in your home could be so important or valuable that you'd risk injuring or killing another (or, God forbid, yourself) in order to protect it?
    What in my home could be important enough to kill someone for? My life or the life of a loved one. Every year in my city there are several crimes in which the robber breaks into the house during the middle of the night, kills the occupants, and then takes what he wishes - leaving no witnesses. Also, there were a few cases where the robbers scoped out wealthy areas and looked for houses with the plastic security signs out in front - you know, the ones that say 'Protected by ADT' or something. They proceded to rob the houses during broad daylight, because they knew the occupants were at home and most likely the security system was turned off while at home. They shot everyone in the house and robbed them blind. This is why I believe it's important to own a gun. Marquette University is one of the top law schools in the midwest. It is located in my city, right on the border of one of the worst parts of the city. Every year several students and shot and then robbed, right on campus. That's cold blood right there. They don't even give them a chance to run away, they shoot them first to avoid witnesses.
     


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    If you live in a city that has a problem with people randomly invading homes and killing their occupants, perhaps you should move to another city - or, since you live in the U.S., to another country - rather than arming yourself with a shotgun/AK-47/whatever. Only in America would the idea of having a little shootout in one's own home bring anyone any "security".
     


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