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Are you a bad tipper?

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by Ambulance Chaser, Feb 4, 2005.

  1. Styleman

    Styleman Senior member

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    Uptight or not, practicality and expediency, and neo-ancient etiquette customs are very different matters.
     
  2. Ambulance Chaser

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    I will take too much attention over not enough attention any time.  Shows that the server is actually making an effort.
     
  3. Andrew V.

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    I appreciate reading the different perspectives Styleman, drizz, and Ambulance Chaser. [​IMG]
     
  4. Kevin

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    (applause) Brilliantly put.

    Observations about tipping bartenders for future service are spot on.  We bartenders have incredible memories.  No matter how many people are in the bar on a given night, we will always remember who tipped what, and possess an uncanny knack for picking out the good tipper waiting to order from three deep. Try tipping two dollars per drink next time you're out and see what happens.

    Kevin
     
  5. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    The thing is, tipping bartenders well makes alot of sense, where tipping when you receive bad service at a restaurant doesn't because if you didn't enjoy the meal, you're likely never going there again, which means...
     
  6. VKK3450

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    It's not a heartbreaking saga, merely a statement of fact.  Minimum legal wages are lower for tipped employees and taxation is different.  Some people know this and some people don't.  In a discussion about tipping, it is relevant information.  

    What surprises me more is that this is such an issue.  As I said, my personal attitude is that it's usually only a couple of bucks between a crap tip and a decent one.  And what's a couple of bucks in the grand scheme of an evening out?

    I think more effort goes into deliberation on who to tip and how much than the value of the tips in question.  (At least on a personal level, not macro)

    And yes, you can make good money in the industry.  When I was bartending it was not uncommon to walk with... well lets say a lot..  Not bad for a college job.  But that's on the high side, not the norm.  And come to think of it, I was a pretty damn good bartender...

    But I wouldn't take your Uncle's Vegas tips as indicative for the rest of the country.  It is Vegas after all.

    K
     
  7. nightowl6261a

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    Brilliant statement.
     
  8. nightowl6261a

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    Why, you don't tip the Burger girl taking your order, noone tips the bus boy when he removes your plate from the table...what did the pizza guy do but bring your phone order he did not even take, he makes $8.00 an hour, plus mileage on his car @ 35 cents a mile, and when he gets through at the end of a shift, let us say Friday, he will probably deliver on average 6 pizzas an hour, drive 30 miles in each of those hours, get tipped probably for the 6 pizzas on the norm about $9, work 5 hours, and make a whopping $100 for a 5 hour shift, breaking it down to a $20 an hour job....think about this for a second, do you think some crazy driving kid, 16, barely educated in life should make that much money for causing havoc on the suburban roads as he speeds through the hood trying to  deliver as many pies as possible to then return and get more orders. After seeing an accident last Sat night involving a pizza delivery kid making a stupid turn at an intersection because he was lost, I have a new theory on delivery pizza, is like while-u-wait shoe repair, not natural. Go to the pizzaria and eat real pizza if that is what you want.
     
  9. VKK3450

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    The bartenders and the servers tip out the busboy a percentage of what you give the server.  So indirectly you do tip the busboy
     
  10. Nonk

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    It has been stated that leaving no tip would be considered more acceptable, or perhaps less unacceptable is a better description, in the UK than in the US.

    In my limited experience of the US (one trip to New York), the quality of service is much better, in general than in the UK, where I, and I am sure many others still view a tip as a reward for good service and not simply a routine supplement to poor wages.

    I was unaware of difference in minimum wage of waiters etc in the US who are in positions that can traditionally attract tips, as in the UK there is no differential. This again reinforces the position that a tip is a reward not a right.

    It is not actually that hard to provide service worthy of a tip of some degree, and it is a sad indictment indeed that places I have visited have not managed to rise to this minimal challenge.
     
  11. drizzt3117

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    I tip the Pizza delivery people because I usually order from the same place, and like to ensure proper service.
     
  12. Drew

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    noone tips the bus boy when he removes your plate from the table...
    The bartenders and the servers tip out the busboy a percentage of what you give the server. So indirectly you do tip the busboy
    and the host, who seats you as well.
     
  13. nightowl6261a

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    Maybe in Cali it is different, but here, especially in the burbs, we have nothing that delivers except PH or Sominos, therefore you are not getting the same help one, or for the most part probably the same pizza, I honestly would not know, have not had a pizza in over a year.
     
  14. Horace

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    waiters should be paid a good living wage.  They are not in the US, however.  It's bullshit.  

    I tip -12%15%, rarely more,  if the service is competent, and the waiter is doing what he's supposed to do.  r

    If the service is exceptional, then 20%.

    Exceptional doesn't mean fawning however.

    I do not compute the total including the tax.  Nor do I compute the full value of wine, esp., if as happened last week, the two bottles ended up being US$300 each.

    I actually hate tipping and would rather see waiters making US$20 per hour plus a 10% service charge.  Or something like that.

    I don't tip at starbucks or the like.

    I don't tip at my club.

    I don't tip everytime a bartender pops the top off a bottle of beer.

    I usually give the bartender a five or ten at the end of the night.

    Maybe I am a cheapo.  I dunno.

    I tend not to tip very much at small restaurants where the proprietor or his family is serving.

    At my apartment in NYC, which I still maintain, I gift at the end of the year.
     
  15. Horace

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    (Andrew V. @ Feb. 10 2005,17:23) In any case, my idea of terrible service is a server who refills my water glass every five seconds.
    I will take too much attention over not enough attention any time. Â Shows that the server is actually making an effort.
    I prefer the opposite unless the waiter is criminally inattentive. I think French waiters are great.
     
  16. Horace

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    Old VB: you've got to be my favorite wit on SF. H.
     
  17. Horace

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    Actually, no.

    My parents and (and it seems) other diner's never tolerated bad behavior. Either at home or out.

    I remember being taken to Lutece, to the Harvard Club, to the Savoy in London, and I never acted up. Now that I am older, it's a different story.
     
  18. Horace

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    (hopkins_student @ Feb. 09 2005,09:01) I get a little tired of hearing people bitch about children at restaurants. Â I understand they can cause a disturbance, but I'm sure we all, at some point, disturbed others as well.
    Not me. Â I wouldn't have dared to misbehave in a restaurant when I was small. Â Parents should just remove their children when they misbehave rather than continuing to inflict them on others. Â Presumably they chose to breed, so should take the responsibility that comes with children. Â It's the way that parents either find the toe-curling antics of their spawn amusing (and think we all should), or just ignore them that grips me.
    There was a child on a recent TransAtlantic flight, I cannot remember the airline, that kept running up and down the aisle, punching every seat back. Finally, after the fourth time, I told the child (politely yet firmly) to behave himself and sit down. The father came up to me and called me, in front of his young son (who was maybe 4 or 5) an asshole. The stewardess escorted him away.
     
  19. Horace

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    I cannot even understand why people take young children at all, never mind try to comprehend their lack of parental guidance when they are there.
    Perhaps because they love their children and want to spend time with them? Â Maybe they've been working all day and haven't had a chance to spend time with their children, and when they get home they don't necessarily want to cook? The people that I know that complain the most about children in restaurants are people that were raised by nannies or other paid assistants while their parents were out partying. Â On a side note, these are also usually not the most well adjusted individuals.
    I've three children. They all behave. While we had some help, we did the majority of the work. I wouldn't brook bullshit from screaming kids, least of all my own. One the rare occasions when my children had acted up, I'd leave the restaurant with one, talk to him or her outside, and come back in. Everything would be swell from then on out. Your implication (or outright statement rather) about "loving children" is sort of laughable.
     
  20. Horace

    Horace Senior member

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    I don't want to engage this particular post as much as I want to engage this sentiment in general as I've seen on this board.

    I love this: one tries to refine or discern meaning or clearly state something and one is accused of being a semantician.
     

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