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Are We Over Analyzing Clothing and Dress?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by NORE, Aug 1, 2012.

  1. NORE

    NORE Senior member

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    Here's my critique of this 'fit. Each piece is an island unto itself and doesn't work cohesively as a unit. Almost as if you just blindly threw stuff on. The contrast is that each piece by itself or juxtaposed with more coherent pieces would probably lend to a better overall look.

    For instance, if there were matching pants to that jacket, you would be OK. Add that and change the shoes, even better.

    The shoes would be fine with a tan to cream to white linen suit. Even a tobacco colored suit if you were adventurous.

    With my OP everything worked in a harmonious fashion. Some may say matchy-matchy, others may say too bright, but I think it is OK. I certainly felt that way when I wore it and that in and of itself made it right.

    I think my whole point here is that just because someone else thinks it not visually pleasing doesn't make it wrong. We don't dress for others, we dress for ourselves. What you may find visually pleasing may not be the same as what another does. Tell me you wouldn't have worn that and if so, what you would do to improve the look IYO. Don't tell me it's just wrong.
     
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  2. gdl203

    gdl203 Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    Talk about over-analyzing... An entire thread dedicated to one outfit, dissecting all the reasons why it's bad... :confused:

    I'm going to be honest, I don't disagree about over-analysis vs. gut feeling. I am pretty much the antithesis of foo when it comes to how I dress and gauge others' outfit - yet I believe that we end up substantially at the same place. The only thing that pushes me to sometimes articulate why I wore X with Y is this forum. I go with what looks visually pleasing to me when I combined items - and that's 95% based on photographic memory stored somewhere in my brain, and 5% consciously analytical decisions.

    I initially thought that the "good taste" was going to be much more about instant reaction (almost binary) and less about dissection but I guess it would be just too boring and it wouldn't feel like an opportunity to learn anything for those who want to use it as such. It's almost a redux of the foofing thread where now people submit entries for color coordination critique and to have a handful of people answer the question "do you like my tie?".

    To me, knowing that so and so love this tie and love that other tie a little less, that someone never wears chaillis while another one wouldn't be caught in madder, that one only wears navy ties and another would never wear a brown tie is of very limited interest and usefulness. Everyone will end up with quirky preferences like that. Whether an outfit looks good and is tasteful (first impression, gut reaction in 2 seconds) is a better test to me. The idea of having a depositary of great looking outfits exhibiting nice taste is probably helpful, in the same way that following the tumblr of someone you know has good taste would be: increased exposure and build-up of that photographic memory bank that shapes the way we then make clothing decisions. I think the old vox digest threads were probably the best approach to that philosophy. I had tried to do a "best look" on a daily basis but that was at a time when waywrn threads were a disaster and I ended up finding it depressing to have to wade through those every day to try to find something good.

    / OT rant
     
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  3. NORE

    NORE Senior member

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    Sooooooo, is my fit just wrong and ugly as sin?
     
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    TimelesStyle Senior member

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    I like this, as I have found myself the victim of being overly "matched" many times. My general rule has become to find colors that work together but to have the brightest of them as accent colors. For example, with the OP's outfit, I might have tried to find a navy tie with either bright pink or lime polka dots (were I intent on keeping the shirt) and then gone with a plain white square, or perhaps something with a little navy in it. Or, if keeping the tie were that important, I'd have perhaps chosen a light blue/white puppy tooth shirt and used an off-white or even light lilac square.
     
  5. gdl203

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    Yes, the one in the OP is just visually jarring, and in bad taste. Clearly not your best.
     
  6. NORE

    NORE Senior member

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    OK then, thanks. I appreciate you opinion.
     
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  7. NORE

    NORE Senior member

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    Can the fact that the picture is washed out and focused on the accessories have anything to do with your assertion? For instance this is in your face:

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    then you get to see what the world saw IRL:

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    Then perhaps it isn't really so bad.
     
  8. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    NORE, that tie is hideous, but let's set that aside for a moment. Even without it, the shirt and square combination is a total fail. The white/blue repetition between the two is too literal, too rote--the same problem as with the combination you first posted in this thread. On top of that, their pattern scales are too close.
     
  9. Quadcammer

    Quadcammer Senior member

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    that is one of the ugliest ties I've seen in the past 15 years
     
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  10. NORE

    NORE Senior member

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    I get that about the colors/pattern scale of the shirt & square. But did you take into consideration just how much shirt and square is showing? In the grand scheme of things very little. BTW, the suit is a wool/mohair fresco which is why it looks as if it needs a pressing.
     
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  11. mafoofan

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    Of course I took that into consideration. Your shirt and square show up as much an anybody else's.
     
  12. NORE

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    OK then. How do you feel about zbromer's rig up there?
     
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    I'd give a somewhat intelligent critique of your latest abomination but it would be fruitless, especially because I think your doing all of this just to get a rise out of people.
     
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  14. mafoofan

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    I don't think it is successful either. Shirt and tie are too close in contrast. Too many solids (very hard to do without significant contrast and/or texture variation). I generally find these Easter egg colors hard to look at without wincing, but if I had to work with them, I would at least try to marry them together better. In his case, each Easter egg color stands completely on its own.
     
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    fait accomplie . . .


    Why you are posting at the SF sausage party is beyond me.

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    I commend the attempt but this was a fail even before the attempt.

    That tie is piano-tie league.
     
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    Dunning Kruger Google
     
  18. inlandisland

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    See also: Pre/Trans-fallacy

    HAW HAW HAW!
     
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    Castro rainbow flag tie for LGBT parades?
     
  20. add911_11

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    The tie is truly FU
     

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