Are these Park Avenues too narrow?

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  1. TOcharles

    TOcharles New Member

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    Hi I just bought these park avenues and I think they look too narrow although comfort-wise they're great. What do you guys think?

    http://i.imgur.com/4RSufl.jpg

    Size 10.5D
     
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    7even Senior member

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    they look like Es, or Fs :confused: they definitely don't look narrow to me though
     
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  3. Liquidus

    Liquidus Senior member

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    You clearly have not done a lot of browsing in the year that you've been here.

    Also, I'm not 100% sure on the right terminology, but the wide gap you have in the lacing indicates that you need shoes with a higher vamp.
     
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  4. BrianVarick

    BrianVarick Senior member

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    If they are comfortable, why does it matter if they look too narrow? Maybe I am missing the point.
     
  5. Fred G. Unn

    Fred G. Unn Senior member

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    Yes, too narrow. It looks terrible like that. You really shouldn't see much of the tongue of the shoe on a balmoral when a correctly fitting shoe is laced. If the length is good, go up a width or two. The 5 last is one of AE's narrower lasts anyway. Many people that are a D in other AE lasts have to go up to an E in the 5 last.
     
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    Liquidus Senior member

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    To be fair, the evaluation of shoes on this board involves more than just comfort.
     
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    CrAz3D Senior member

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    I dont think it's the shoe itself he is concerned about. I'm guessing he is thinking along the lines of the post prior to your own, with which I agree.
     
  8. TOcharles

    TOcharles New Member

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    I just joined today actually. Not sure why it says I joined a year ago. I recently started working after graduating and rather clueless in picking out work wear. My roommate has the same shoes and when he wears them there is a much less pronounced 'V' shape across the lace area. The two pieces of leather are almost parallel.
     
  9. schrag

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    It means you have a higher instep - it's not the the shoes are too narrow, it's that there's not enough material to 'wrap' the sides around the tongue (think shallow vs deep shoe). I, uh, enjoy the same thing with my feet, but my one pair of Oxford laced shoes close up to a narrower vee. It does depend on the model of shoe. Width is something around the ball of your foot, usually.

    It also means most loafers are a no go as I can't get my foot under the tongue. Maybe you'll be luckier.
     
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    TOcharles New Member

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    Should I return these or swap them for a wider size? I bought these through the US online after being measured and assured by a local menswear store that these would fit. (I'm in Canada)
     
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    schrag Well-Known Member

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    If they're comfortable now, a wider size may be too loose (and could result in ugly creasing) in the toebox. You'll get more volume around your toes too. While the "fit" isn't ideal, it's more of a cosmetic issue due to the lacing style.

    Maybe consider exchanging it for a blucher model, like this:

    [​IMG]
     
  12. chogall

    chogall Senior member

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    Have you tried 10 E or 10 EE?
     
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    papa kot Senior member

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    What people posted here about you having a higher instep is 100% correct. You can attempt to fix these looks with a wider size shoe. That's what I did by going from 10.5 D to 10.5 E.

    The distance between the sides on the upper-most lace hole is less than 1" in 10.5 E for me.
     
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  14. Joker Man

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    That's not the way the lacing on these shoes should fit. You need a larger size when it's tight in the vamp area.
    And whoever measured you doesn't know what she's doing.
    10.5 may be the overall length but I'm sure the arch was larger and the arch is your real size
    You're probably an 11.5C
     
  15. msulinski

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    This isn't entirely true. When creating a "wide" version of a shoe, what is really happening is that they are increasing the girth/volume of the shoe. This can be achieved by heightening it or widening it. Very often, to go up one "width" a maker will simply make it higher, not wider. It is definitely worth getting the next width up and seeing how it fits.
     

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