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are these LTD Samurais 19oz as well?

scoon0224

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http://www.e2nd.net/br-sj/sj-411-01-f/sj-s510-ltd.htm
I like the blue arcuate on these 510's that shows up as they wear, are they also 19oz?

I'm looking to get these, the 510XX-II, 3000VX, or 5000VX (or BK)


Q #2
How low rise ARE the 5000's? (and do the BK's differ at all?)
measures on sites seem to be a little varied... and I don't have any jeans that appear on the same sites to get a better idea for comparison.

my two pairs of jeans for comparison.
APC English SZ31 -- 11.25
Aihiko SZ33 -- 11.5
(I don't want to go much under 11in, so if 33's start at 11 on BiG, what will that shrink to?)

If all else fails, I suppose I can just order a pair, and if they don't work, hopefully I can move them here or on the other SF.
 

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BiG told me that a size 32 S5000BK was going to be a 10.75 inch front rise, after shrinkage.
 

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Only half an inch lower than my English. Not bad at all.


Anyone know about those LTD 510's?
 

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