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Are these Grafton's worth the asking price

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Hi gentry,

Long time (1.5 years) forum lurker here! First of all I just wanna say that I've enjoyed reading through the hundreds of threads on this forum and the advice and wealth of information I have received has tremendously helped me step up my style.

Of late I got into shoes and been reading the different threads religiously. After reading a thread which was a strong endorsement of Church's Grafton I decided to check eBay to see if I could find a deal on them. After scrolling through hundreds of different ads I stumbled upon this par:

As I am still very much at the beginning of my, rather expensive, journey in the world of quality shoes I am having the most difficult of times deciding whether 150 british pounds is a reasonable price for these shoes (in the state that they're in). The shoes show slight creasing with no cracks whatsoever. The soles seem worn but since I have never owned a quality shoe before I can't tell what the state of the sole is.

An important thing to note is that this seems to be an older model as it's been constructed using the last #100. According to the Church's aficionados, it offers a rounder toe which I quite like. Comparing these to the Graftons on offer on the official Church's website supports that.

I would greatly appreciate if the gentry could advice before I make an expensive mistake.

Thank you so much in advance for your comments.

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I am well aware that these are Polished Binder and am perfectly fine with that. I just wanted to get your opinion on whether these shoes in the state (uppers, soles) that they're in are worth 150GBP.
 
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Those look like polished binder shoes, which means the surface has been corrected. You can get much better ones for the money. have you looked at Meermin? They're a bit stiff at first, but generally well made. If you're browsing eBay, you can also

1. Check the box "include description."
2. Do a search for "Ralph Lauren England."
3. Filter for "men's shoes"

This will bring up all the Ralph Lauren shoes made in England. I find the styles to be reasonably classic, and they're often better looking than semi-affordable brands such as Allen Edmonds. At the same time, they're made by one of the better Northampton factories. And since Ralph Lauren as a generic search term typically brings up a bunch of junk, most people don't filter for "made in England" shoes, allowing you to score a better deal.
 

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Those look like polished binder shoes, which means the surface has been corrected. You can get much better ones for the money. have you looked at Meermin? They're a bit stiff at first, but generally well made. If you're browsing eBay, you can also

1. Check the box "include description."
2. Do a search for "Ralph Lauren England."
3. Filter for "men's shoes"

This will bring up all the Ralph Lauren shoes made in England. I find the styles to be reasonably classic, and they're often better looking than semi-affordable brands such as Allen Edmonds. At the same time, they're made by one of the better Northampton factories. And since Ralph Lauren as a generic search term typically brings up a bunch of junk, most people don't filter for "made in England" shoes, allowing you to score a better deal.
Thank you for the search criteria. Some interesting results showed up and am busy listing through them. Regarding the Grafton, polished binder aside, do you think they're in a good state?
 

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Thank you for the search criteria. Some interesting results showed up and am busy listing through them. Regarding the Grafton, polished binder aside, do you think they're in a good state?
I don't know if I would describe them as being in a good state, but they're certainly not in very bad state. They seem standard for second-hand shoes.
 

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I regularly buy second hand shoes to wear, so have a bit of experience in that area.

From the pictures, they look more like corrected grain calf leather to my eyes... not polished binder, which is a whole other thing that I would generally avoid. The uppers seem to be in good shape from the photos.

The soles are questionable, though. The right shoe's heel will need a replacement very soon, and the previous owner probably dragged his toes resulting in somewhat heavy toe wear. The bottoms look pretty weather worn, so I wouldn't be surprised if they needed a full resoling job sooner rather than later.

With that amount of wear, 100 GBP as a starting price seems a bit high to me. You might be able to find a better pair with a bit of patience.

FYI there is a very active and friendly vintage dress shoe appreciation thread here. We focus more on vintage USA and Canadian brands, but you could ask for an opinion there.
 

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Hello, maybe 150 pounds is too much.

But they doesn't look as polish binder to my eyes, maybe they are cordovan or crup for brits. I can't find the typical cracks that appear in binder leather. You can see my Graftons in 10.5UK in crup as an example.

Check if you can return them. There is a thread about cordovan where you might find help. Good luck.
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Hello, maybe 150 pounds is too much.

But they doesn't look as polish binder to my eyes, maybe they are cordovan or crup for brits. I can't find the typical cracks that appear in binder leather. You can see my Graftons in 10.5UK in crup as an example.

Check if you can return them. There is a thread about cordovan where you might find help. Good luck.
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I have to agree with this. I also think the ones listed look like shell Cordovan in which case the price is good.

I have a pair and the insole is marked “genuine cordovan” but I have seen other examples which weren’t.

If they are cordovan or crup as it’s also known then the original rrp was quite high. Cordovan is also very resilient.
 

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