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Are these considered square toe shoes?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by dsmith2013, Jan 11, 2012.

  1. fritzl

    fritzl Senior member

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    you didn't say that before, sorry.

    please reread the post of liquidus, chogall and me. than read your post, wtf.

    many thanks.
     


  2. fritzl

    fritzl Senior member

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    congrats
     


  3. bourbonbasted

    bourbonbasted Cyber Eliitist

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    To the OP: if you're in college and are a bit intimidated/worried about wearing wingtips or brogues or oxfords, etc, then just get a nice pair of penny loafers or boat shoes. This is a nice way to dress up your shoes a bit while still keeping things young and not too formal/serious. I'd also suggest looking into a suede chukka or a more versatile ankle boot.

    Once you get more comfortable with nicer shoes/develop an eye for them, then you can move into more formal footwear. No reason to rush in when it doesn't sound like you have much use for a formal shoe anyway.
     


  4. Sanguis Mortuum

    Sanguis Mortuum Senior member

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    I think it's you that needs to reread the conversation.

    1. Liquidus made the original quote that broguing "refers to the broguing of the leather, not the shape of the toe" (correct)
    2. Chogall then replied "no" (incorrect)
    3. jrd617 then replied "fail" (correct)
    4. You then replied "not at all" (incorrect)
    5. I corrected you.
     
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  5. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    Don't forget me!!!!!!! I gave a concurring opinion. Wingtip matters are serious business.
     
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  6. Samovar McGee

    Samovar McGee Senior member

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    OP, for college, those shoes are fine. Wear them well until they reach the end of their usefulness. No one is going to judge you for wearing them; most people are ignorant of shoe bylaws. Remember that balmoral wingtips (those with closed lacing) don't always look so great with jeans and the like. Blucher wingtips tend to look better in a casual context. The shoes you have pictured are bluchers, though they are not wingtips, as you might have already surmised.

    If you wear mostly jeans and casual pants, then I recommend you stick to casual footwear. Once you stray into trouser and suit territory, then you're going to want something more formal.
     


  7. Sanguis Mortuum

    Sanguis Mortuum Senior member

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    I think a good first shoe would be a cap-toe oxford in brown suede. Formal enough to wear with a suit (although not to interviews, of course) yet also casual enough to wear with jeans (as I'm doing today in fact).
     


  8. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Senior member

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    Your post was technically flawless but failed to showcase the exquisite presentation and je ne sais quos that is the mark of a true champion and was present in Sang's post. You receive an Honourable Mention, and a Certificate of Attendance.
     


  9. Axel Ferguson

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    I can still refer to a shoe as being wing tip without it having any actual broguing.

    For example, I would call this a wing tip, and ugly, but it has no broguing where the actual wing part is.
    http://www.vanlier.nl/nl/collectie/original/12/637

    It's basically just a detail in the leather of the toe cap/vamp.
     


  10. chogall

    chogall Senior member

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    technical descriptions. wingtip is better described as the shape of the toe cap piece cut than the 'broguing' of the leather. you could call wingtip with full perforations as full brogue, but then where do long-wing, U shaped wingtip, etc, fit in the normal full, semi, quarter brogue scale?
     


  11. Sanguis Mortuum

    Sanguis Mortuum Senior member

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    Ok, I did actually say that in my previous post but I see that what Liquidus originally said is technically slightly wrong, though I'm sure everyone still knew what he meant, he just worded it badly.
     


  12. Axel Ferguson

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    Weren't we just pedantically hammering on technicalities for fun here anyway? ;)
     


  13. GasparddeColigny

    GasparddeColigny Senior member

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    Lets make a Venn diagram

    Most wingtips are brogued
    Not all brogues are wingtips
    All square toes are ugly
     


  14. bizzblar

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    noice

    btw, not only is sanguis correct (although reasonably straying when it came to referring to the OP), fritzl you are an ubelievable dick.
     


  15. fritzl

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    that's what i said.
     


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