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are patterns/colors fighting here?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by masterphotog, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. masterphotog

    masterphotog Well-Known Member

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    Should 1 of the three items be a solid (shirt, tie or waistcoat)? Just curious if the check pattern is redundant or if this ensemble is not-so-pleasing to the eye. Are colors/patterns fighting each other here?

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    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    Yes, shirt and waistcoat clashing IMHO.
     


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  4. masterphotog

    masterphotog Well-Known Member

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    ......with that shirt?
     


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    msulinski Senior member

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    I actually like the tie. Is it wool?
    If you want to do check on check, they should be different scales. You could try a solid shirt.
     


  6. masterphotog

    masterphotog Well-Known Member

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    The tie is wool - and can be found here

    I'll try a solid shirt soon, thanks for liking the tie. I adore it and I look for an excuse to wear this one, more than any other tie I own!
     


  7. FaceOfBoh

    FaceOfBoh Senior member

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    Tie is fantastic - I'm not sure what that dude's problem is.
    I'd also suggests tattersall shirt (largish windowpanes) - that would take care of competing scales and give you a more English country look.
     


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    Vest and shirt clash--patterns both too small and dense. Vest and tie clash. Both too woolly.
     


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    An unpatterned shirt would work better with this waistcoat and tie.
     


  10. mensimageconsultant

    mensimageconsultant Senior member

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    The vest-tie combination is worse than the vest-shirt combination.

    Also, the shirt collar doesn't seem to be the right shape for the wearer.
     
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  11. masterphotog

    masterphotog Well-Known Member

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    Instead of only listing what doesn't work, make suggestions of what does as well.
     


  12. mensimageconsultant

    mensimageconsultant Senior member

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    Yes, sir?

    A dark green wool (or wool-blend) tie would be better. Something that has color (to give the look life) and is compatible with a country look but isn't brownish. See, it's hard to make suggestions without knowing what is in the wardrobe.

    The collar ought to be shorter (cover less of the neck) and have longer points, to not highlight the short neck.
     


  13. masterphotog

    masterphotog Well-Known Member

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    Awesome, I like the dark green wool tie suggestion. I wasn't looking to match what I had in my wardrobe because chances are - I don't possess what the recommendation is.
     


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    Good advice. Well done!

    The immediate fix is to dramatically increase the contrast of the tie by making it much darker since this is not a pattern failure, but a contrast failure.

    The same idea of a tie, brown and grey repp, works better if the at least one of the colors is much darker; e.g., charcoal not grey, espresso, not brown. Better still, the tone of all colors in the tie would be much darker.

    Your suggestion of a dark green tie, say bottle green, is good advice, but then navy, espresso, charcoal, purple, and the tie you seem to least like, black, would all work. I know you have some prejudice against black, but some day you'll realize that a black tie of the right texture is the master stroke for pulling together elements that would otherwise appear to clash.

    The shirt patterns and vest patterns are a tricky and clever match, and not a huge clash,especially from a distance greater than an arm's length. But up close they need a bolder element such as a darker or more color saturated tie to make the outfit more harmonious. In fact, it is quite likely that a bright burnt orange tie or even a bright red one might combine successfully with the shirt and vest for a bolder, yet coordinated look. A bright blue, green, or yellow tie might work as well but be a bit more tricky. They could not be pale in the least, but highly color saturated.

    This combo is a perfect illustration of how a composition that appears to be a pattern failure, can be "fixed" by improving the contrast of just one element, since the three elements are all too close together in tone and lack the contrast needed to work together.
     


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    recondite - very helpful and insightful, much appreciate the detailed/elaborate explanation of what works, what doesn't work and what could work with my photo.
     


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