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...The casualization of everything is an encompassing long-term trend that has been going on since at least the mid-1960s, and the vanishing of ties is just one aspect of this. What comes after this could be anything,..
I’m not sure why the fetish to not wear a tie with a suit. Maybe it’s just a “**** you” statement or something else, but it seems that the sport coat/blazer and odd slacks combo would be far better suited for this look.
Why are we trying to force a suit to evoke casual when we’ve already got plenty of casual options?
I hope that never comes to be a fashion. Looks ridiculous to me.One thing that might, but probably won't, come next, given the innate conservatism of men's fashion, is the so-called untie, which isn't knotted around the neck, but secured with a clasp or clip. What's fun about this is that it opens up subtle jewelry fashion possibilities for men. Some ideas over at https://www.sola-designs.com/images/
These debates are always at perfect equilibrium. People who don't wear ties don't want to be associated with people who are adamant that everyone should wear a tie. People who are adamant that everyone should wear a tie like to ***** and moan about people who don't wear a tie. Each side gets exactly what they want: to not be associated with the other group.
Anyways, there's a long tradition of men wearing suits without ties.
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I'm all about whether it looks good. Whether suit with or without tie or a Sport coat/blazer with or without tie. If it appeals to my eye then thats what counts....to me.These debates are always at perfect equilibrium. People who don't wear ties don't want to be associated with people who are adamant that everyone should wear a tie. People who are adamant that everyone should wear a tie like to ***** and moan about people who don't wear a tie. Each side gets exactly what they want: to not be associated with the other group.
Anyways, there's a long tradition of men wearing suits without ties.
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I have a hard time comparing the public ball scratching or grab, to wearing a suit without tie.There’s also a long tradition of men scratching their balls in public but that doesn’t normalize the behavior.
setting aside that these aren’t real people but pictures, in both cases the suits are on the casual side. The modern trend of men wearing a dark, biz formal suit, like navy, with a white shirt and no tie seems silly.
Personally; I’m not a fan of the above.
I have a hard time comparing the public ball scratching or grab, to wearing a suit without tie.
setting aside that these aren’t real people but pictures, in both cases the suits are on the casual side.
The illustrations are from Apparel Arts, which was a trade publication that was a precursor to Esquire. The publication was given to clothiers to help them instruct men on how to dress, but it later bcame popular with some clothes-obsessed customers. For a time, AA illustrations used to be used here because people cared about how a certain section of society dressed from the 1930s through 80s. I feel like that period has long gone (meaning, that period on the forum).
So yes, they are illustrations and probably not even indicative of how people during those periods dressed. But they used to be a measure for how to dress because this forum was interested in a certain look.
It's true that most of those looks are casual. People who don't wear ties are trying to project a casual look. I was only responding to your question: "are people trying to make suits look casual now?" There are such things as men who wear casual suits and do it without a tie. It is a long tradition and not new.