- Apr 10, 2011
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I understand what you're saying. I was only taking issue with this point:Sure, but you're still (deliberately) missing what I am saying! Think about what the Japanese call a 'set-up' - basically any top and bottom that 'match', that are designed purely from that basis. Starting from that point, you have an infinite variety of possibilies, with all kinds of inspirations and models, not just the jacket with V-lapels and collar, not just particular cuts of pressed trousers. My point is that as men's work clothing moves further away from suits-as-they-were, it opens up space not just for suits to be worn more casually (which isn't news, as you say), but more significantly, for suits to become something different, or many different things. Potentially, this is akin to the transformation in men's style of the late C18th.
The problem is that the suits themselves are still basically the same kind as we've always expected to be worn with ties.
I think this depends on the viewer. If you're saying that the informed viewer will see these looks as being bad, then I disagree, as there's a rich tradition of men wearing casual suits without ties. Much of CM is about knowing fabrics and small details. An informed person will know the difference when seeing these looks.I'm talking about the basic form of the suit as clothing more than the specifics of fabric and texture.
If you're saying that the average person on the street is going to judge them poorly, then I don't really care that much. I don't think the average person on the street knows enough about classic men's dress. This is ultimately a niche interest and hobby. I'm fine with dressing in a way that I think is coherent and accords with classic men's style, even if the average person on the street thinks some small detail is wrong.
And in any case, any strong deviation from classic men's dress isn't going to resonate well with the public anyway. Just look at how most people look at SWD stuff. They just think "that's weird." By the time you've deviated far enough from CM, going tie-free is the least of the problems.