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Personally don't think people dislike or like the tie because it adds a bit of color or whatever. They dislike the open collar look because they associate it with a certain kind of downtown worker.Whether one looks good is of course in the eye of the beholder (including yourself), and that eye is, as you say, strongly conditioned by prevailing norms of fashion, or perhaps by a shared ethos of non-conformism. But it seems a more or less an objective fact (to me ;-) that going tieless, whatever the occasion, subtracts a nice bit of color and design that almost always adds at least some interest to a look. Of course there are great monochrome, or color-comboed tieless looks as well, but the wholesale abandonment of the tie opens up space for some alternative color accessory, hence my outlandish call for untied, clasped neckwear in addition to scarves and ascots. (This is not an ad!)
One menswear writer described a certain strain of British CM which aimed to combine the greatest number of patterns, colors, and textures possible without collapsing the souffle, as perhaps best exemplified by the Duke of Windsor.Not in Britain. Colourful and patterned (and frankly horrible) dress shirts are much more normal...
Can we all agree it's better than the Jim Jordan shirt & tie but no coat look? I imagine he picked that up from a discount store manager. Nothing wrong with the job ... just the look.Cover of WSJ this morning. Saw it as I walking out of my building this morning in the paper stack piled by the door.
I like Jeffrey's look. Of course, every single time I reach for a black suit the ghost of Colin Harvey says "just put that back". But there was a time in the 80's when I thought I was fashion forward. I'd wear a black and white glen plaid (one with a light blue windowpane and one with a pink windowpane) suit with a black turtleneck (wool but rather light) from Crimson. It worked but was very dressy for New York's East Village where everyone wore black (pullover, pants, shoes). Then I'd put on my brown derbies and get eyerolls.This is not a knock, but most people on this forum look like the guy on the right. If that's your vibe, then you have to work with your vibe. In that case, you might look better in a conservative suit and tie. Jeffery here (the guy on the left) often wears suits without ties. He has a certain look and vibe about him that allows him to pull things off. In this photo, he's wearing a black suit with a black shirt and no tie (three levels of verboten on StyleForum). Yet, he looks great. Arguably better than the guy on the right, and not just because the guy on the right is wearing a white t-shirt underneath his button-up.
Sometimes I think the rules here can be so stifling and conservative, they push everyone into looking like the guy on the right when there are other possibilities for men.
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He was likely referring to the celebrated douchebag and traitor to his country the former PoW and future Duke of Windsor.One menswear writer described a certain strain of British CM which aimed to combine the greatest number of patterns, colors, and textures possible without collapsing the souffle, as perhaps best exemplified by the Prince of Wales.
It’s a big issue in DC as well. Guys in dark charcoal suits, sober tie, and bright Strands in walnut. Ugh.Scrolled through this article posted earlier. Personally don't think anyone's look would have been dramatically improved by a tie. They would have been improved, however, if they swapped out their tan shoes for dark brown.
The crimes in today's business dress aren't about the loss of a tie, but the shoes (e.g., tan shoes in outfits that don't go with tan shoes; the dress-shoe-sneaker hybrids; and sneakers like Allbirds); the poor quality tailoring; and outfits that are just a dress shirt with chinos (no jacket).
embrace it.It’s a big issue in DC as well. Guys in dark charcoal suits, sober tie, and bright Strands in walnut. Ugh.
Not sure how you can say this when it’s been increasingly casual over the last decade.to me that’s why I don’t think that the work environment (especially in cities) is going to go too casual.