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Are college athletics good or bad?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by rjakapeanut, Sep 19, 2010.

  1. rjakapeanut

    rjakapeanut Senior member

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    i was having a discussion with a buddy about college football.

    i HATE college football. he was curious why. when it came down to it, i hate college sports because universities end up losing money just to keep athletics going, and i feel like college athletics are just a huge clusterfuck that's taking away resources that could be spent on something that actually matters: like college. you know, like books and shit. learning. what college is actually supposed to be about.

    few universities actually MAKE money off of their football programs.

    what do you guys think?
     
  2. CBrown85

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    i was having a discussion with a buddy about college football.

    i HATE college football. he was curious why. when it came down to it, i hate college sports because universities end up losing money just to keep athletics going, and i feel like college athletics are just a huge clusterfuck that's taking away resources that could be spent on something that actually matters: like college. you know, like books and shit. learning. what college is actually supposed to be about.

    few universities actually MAKE money off of their football programs.

    what do you guys think?


    Complex issue. I think it's way bigger in the US than it probably should be. Up here we don't have 1/16 of the popularity for our varsity teams- that said, I'd much rather watch NCAA football than NFL or CFL. They seem to 'want it' more. It's obviously in my head, but whatever.
     
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  3. rjakapeanut

    rjakapeanut Senior member

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    yeah i understand. i just want to make sure i clarify that the issue here isn't at all whether or not the content is good and everything like that, but more of "is it responsible as a university to throw money into college athletics rather than put the money in the academics"
     
  4. KPO89

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    I agree with you whole-heartedly. However when you adjust this philosophy to a grander scale....well America is just one big clusterfuck
     
  5. rjakapeanut

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    I agree with you whole-heartedly. However when you adjust this philosophy to a grander scale....well America is just one big clusterfuck

    that pretty much sums up the consensus i've gotten. people are like "well yeah totally, but what else is new."
     
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    Net negative.
     
  7. West24

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    same with arts etc. some shit is just got for morale.
     
  8. ConcernedParent

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    It's just something so far ingrained into the "American" experience... shit about the importance of being well-rounded and having extracurricular interests.
     
  9. rjakapeanut

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    that's not really the issue guys lol. the issue is more dedicating a ton of money to somethign that doesn't matter instead of actually improving the academics -- which is the purpose of college. academia.
     
  10. Prada_Ferragamo

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    The part that puzzles me is that most states are in budget crisis right now, and they are still dumping millions into athletics when they should be focused on academia or tuition hikes. Doesn't make sense at all.
     
  11. rjakapeanut

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    The part that puzzles me is that most states are in budget crisis right now, and they are still dumping millions into athletics when they should be focused on academia or tuition hikes. Doesn't make sense at all.

    exactly, that's what i'm driving at.

    i go to a school that is part of the LSU system here in new orleans. i'm sure you've heard of LSU -- but i bet it's not because of their stellar budget management skillz. it's because of the stupid fucking football team.

    they continue to dump money into the program (that doesn't make any money btw.) when millions could be put to better use keeping teachers on staff, NOT dumping programs etc.

    it personally affects me. that's why i got into it and researched it.

    still haven't found one person who could argue why athletics are a responsible cause.
     
  12. MetroStyles

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    a) I dislike college football compared to NFL. I prefer a system that actually makes competitive sense and features great, close games week in and week out rather than 75-10 snoozefests (college basketball is the opposite)

    b) Colleges that spend tons on athletics - well, it makes some sense. There are externalities. It is their biggest marketing tool, and it attracts both students to campus and alumni to donate (and keep interested in the school). Once a college football fan of an alma mater, always a college football fan.
     
  13. KenRose

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    You are actually mistaken. The reason so many universities fund athletic programs is because they help the university make money. The program itself may lose money but as a whole they bring in more students because of it, resulting in increased revenues. This is a proven statistic. In fact, a direct correlation has been make with universities having a significant decline in male students when they cut their football program, or an identical increase when they add it.

    i was having a discussion with a buddy about college football.

    i HATE college football. he was curious why. when it came down to it, i hate college sports because universities end up losing money just to keep athletics going, and i feel like college athletics are just a huge clusterfuck that's taking away resources that could be spent on something that actually matters: like college. you know, like books and shit. learning. what college is actually supposed to be about.

    few universities actually MAKE money off of their football programs.

    what do you guys think?
     
  14. Prada_Ferragamo

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    ^^^ What about schools that don't have successful programs and still dumping money into athletics?

    Your statement doesn't make sense. If they are making money for the school, then the school itself wouldn't be in crisis and having tuition hikes.
     
  15. Prada_Ferragamo

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    You are actually mistaken. The reason so many universities fund athletic programs is because they help the university make money. The program itself may lose money but as a whole they bring in more students because of it, resulting in increased revenues. This is a proven statistic. In fact, a direct correlation has been make with universities having a significant decline in male students when they cut their football program, or an identical increase when they add it.

    So what if they have a decline in male students, they can have in increase in female students. I want to see this proven statistic.
     
  16. rjakapeanut

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    You are actually mistaken. The reason so many universities fund athletic programs is because they help the university make money. The program itself may lose money but as a whole they bring in more students because of it, resulting in increased revenues. This is a proven statistic. In fact, a direct correlation has been make with universities having a significant decline in male students when they cut their football program, or an identical increase when they add it.

    that's not exactly a good argument, lol.

    and i'm not technically mistaken at all, because even you just said that the programs lose money. that's the problem here.

    let's not get into the marketing of college sports -- i simply don't care if the athletics are attracting more students. the point of a school is not to attract more students with football. it's to give students who want to learn the best possible education they can. this is common sense.

    i know that what you're saying is true and is the status quo. this thread is all about whether or not the status quo is fine, or if something should be done about it.

    PS: i'm not basing this off of anything but my own common sense -- but i think it goes without saying that kids would still go to college if all athletics suddenly dropped off the face of the earth. choosing one school over another because of a football team would obviously not be a factor anymore, so kids would choose the best school for their circumstances.
     
  17. MetroStyles

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    let's not get into the marketing of college sports -- i simply don't care if the athletics are attracting more students. the point of a school is not to attract more students with football. it's to give students who want to learn the best possible education they can. this is common sense.

    Woah woah woah....lolwut?
     
  18. rjakapeanut

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    ^^^ What about schools that don't have successful programs and still dumping money into athletics?

    Your statement doesn't make sense. If they are making money for the school, then the school itself wouldn't be in crisis and having tuition hikes.


    no, they athletics are not making money for the schools. thats a fact. you can count on both of your hands the amount of schools that actually profit from their athletic programs. i know ohio state is one. they actually buy shit for the school with that money, and that's great.

    i didn't really understand his post, either.

    but yeah, my university is a great example of what you're talking about here. it's a small university that has a football program that's...i don't remember the specific division but it's the one under division III or whatever. they just dump money into this stupid football program and fire teachers as a result. it's ridiculous.
     
  19. Prada_Ferragamo

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    I got my under from Mizzou. But I spent a year at U missouri-kansas city. The university dumped 7 million dollars to build a soccer stadium for the soccer team when the team always had a losing record, while the tuition went up 15%. Made no sense at all.
     
  20. Prada_Ferragamo

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    sports are exciting to watch, but I think people care too much for athletics while in college when they should be focused on other things. just my opinion.
     

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