starro
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I need this word in my vocabulary.
I'm all for words with Greek etymologies. Bring it on.
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I need this word in my vocabulary.
You seem rather hung up on the words themselves--their usage, etymology, evolution--but as you are well aware, the connections between words and actual objects are (as you would say) tenuous at best. One sense of the word, you're quite right, refers to a loose collection of many different kinds of footwear (which all happen to share some level of broguing). But to insist brogues are a type of shoe makes just as much sense as someone else insisting red sweaters are a type of clothing. Unfortunately fuzzy thinking can only impede progress here.
So let's back up and go to the basics. Here's what you're claiming is the process of evolution for garments:
- Stage 1: Original garment (garment A) appears outside the city (situation A), engineered for non-city life -> garment A in situation A
- Stage 2: Garment is adopted, in its original form, for use in city life (situation B) -> garment A in situation B
- Stage 3: Garment is altered (i.e. becomes garment B), presumably better to conform to the demands of city life and to lose the unnecessary remnants from non-city life -> garment B in situation B
So as you see, your brogue example shows stages 1 & 3. What I was asking for in my previous post, and still asking for, is an example of stage 2. It needs to be present in order to support your theory of the case.
Amazing thread A+ would read again.
The title alone is worth the price of admission.
I present: crocs with a suit
Stage 1: garment appears for no reason and/or for hospital workers and people in line kitchens
Stage 2: Mario Battali brings garment to city life for wearing on the streets
Stage 3: Project Runway personality Tim Gunn wears crocs with custom made suit (fig. 2)