I just got a brand new pair of apc ns and it seems they changed the tagged sizing so these size 30s measure exactly 15" across the waist. LIterally could not put them on so they are for sale for 160 shipped within the US. I also have a size 30 from the older sizing that I got for a friend who wore them around the house (never outside) and his girlfriend said no so I took them back and they are for sale. This pair I am selling for 150 shipped as they have been worn for 20-30 minutes in inside the house. These ns are virtually new and measure 16" across the waist (they have not been stretched or anything). You guys know what they look like, they're just new apcs. I am a reputable seller and have sold tons of stuff before the new classifieds layout.