I have the Gough's. I took the white back patch off. These have excellent detail and tons of selvage (outseam, both coin pockets, back pockets, waist band) and have 5 different colors of stitching throughout. I like the way they fit alot since I have a thicker body style. I wear a 36x32 most of the time, but I bought a 35x30 in these, and they fit well. Ive only been wearing these off and on for about a month.