anyone know what this tie knot is called?

[lightsaber]

I like this tie know but he doesn't mention what it's called. Does anyone know? http://www.marcguyot.com/2.aspx?sr=9

 

[EricE.]

looks like a windsor to me
but im not really sure

 

[Spirit of 69]

That's the standard four in hand.

The full Windsor would have gone round the other side of the neck loop as well (i.e. same as step one but on the other side) before coming round the front of the tie.

 

[awxg]

It's not a FIH. It's a windsor variation.

http://www.tie-a-tie.net/windsor.html

 

[lightsaber]

Thanks for your responses...

You're both mistaken though. The four-in-hand is simply a matter of bringing the wide end around the front twice before bringing it down from behind. That's not what is happening in this knot. And this is neither the windsor nor the half-windsor. Those knots bring the wide end through the loop from the front, before the final moves. This one brings it through the loop from behind.

Anyone else...?

 

[Sanguis Mortuum]

Am I going insane or does the first diagram make no sense whatsoever?

Edit: Nevermind, I think I see which bit is attached to which, it's not very clear though

 

[lightsaber]

Originally Posted by awxg

It's not a FIH. It's a windsor variation.

http://www.tie-a-tie.net/windsor.html

It's only one move different from a half windsor. But the final product looks completely different. All knots are just variations of each other, after all, but change one move and you've got something very different.

Still haven't bought that '85 ways to tie a tie' book so that's why I'm asking here.

 

[lightsaber]

Originally Posted by Sanguis Mortuum

Am I going insane or does the first diagram make no sense whatsoever?

Edit: Nevermind, I think I see which bit is attached to which, it's not very clear though

No, that picture is very confusing at first glance..

 

[Sebastian]

It's no four in hand. It's a half windsor knot.

 

[awxg]

That's all they are...just slight variations of each other. There's about 8 or so variations of a "Windsor".

 

[lightsaber]

Originally Posted by Sebastian

It's no four in hand. It's a half windsor knot.

Ok sorry for the confusion but it's not quite a half windsor as you can see from this picture, it's the knot Marc Guyot recommends on his website, I got it from a link from A Suitable Wardrobe blog

As you know the half windsor is fully symmetrical but this one is not, it's actually just as asymmetrical as a four-in hand but more substantial.

 

[lightsaber]

Originally Posted by awxg

That's all they are...just slight variations of each other. There's about 8 or so variations of a "Windsor".
If it's noticeably asymmetrical it's not a windsor or half-windsor though, that's what defines the windsor. For about half an hour I could have sworn it was a half-windsor until I noticed I was tying it wrong, then I noticed how completely different it looks. I think this one is for the experts.

 

[yfyf]

Haha holy moly ... that's the same knot I use (see 95% of my WAYWT) and have been using for years. I never figured out who taught it to me or how I started using it and I always thought it was some nameless bastard knot but apparently it's some nameless FRENCH bastard knot!

Also ... it will definitely come out asymmetric.

 

[awxg]

While I'm sure it's a nice way to tie a tie, the picture doesn't make for a good example. His knot looks flat and has the double dimple thing going on.

 

[lightsaber]

Originally Posted by awxg

While I'm sure it's a nice way to tie a tie, the picture doesn't make for a good example. His knot looks flat and has the double dimple thing going on.
I agree about the double dimple (some might like it though), but I prefer a knot that doesn't bulge out in a circular way, which is why I'm trying to wean myself off the windosr / half windsor.. There has to be a certain name for this. Anyone have the Thomas Fink book?