Anyone know if this is real Brioni?

[ezboy1000]

I came across this on ebay and wonder if it is legit. They are selling Brioni ties for low prices, too low I think, which makes me suspicious.

Anyone have any insight? The seller's store is linked here: http://stores.ebay.ca/ECARREFOUR

 

[Stu]

There's been quite a bit of discussion on here about the Lebanese Brioni tie sellers. I've bought a few and could not tell you if they are fake or not, but they are great ties for what I paid. Ben, who sells as Honest Goods on Ebay, says they are indeed fake.

Then again, I've never had a better quality $32 tie in my life, so at that price, if you get a great tie, does it really matter?

 

[EL72]

They are not authentic Brioni ties. I bought a Canali tie from them a couple of years ago and returned it because it wasn't real. They did refund my $. I would stay away from sellers based in Asia and the Middle East.

Originally Posted by Stu

Then again, I've never had a better quality $32 tie in my life, so at that price, if you get a great tie, does it really matter?

First of all, the quality of the tie I got from them was not so great and nowhere near a real Canali. Second, of course it matters that they are fake irrespective of the price-quaity ratio. Without getting in the whole fake goods debate again, counterfeiting is against the law and buying fakes encourages illegal activities.

 

[pkincy]

Whether or not they are fake, I can't say. However their silk and construction and details are the equal or better of any of the Brioni's I have bought at US retail. In fact I find the silk and construction to be far better than most of the Brioni's carried by NM.

They have the brass backing plate and chain that my Brioni's from the US have and are excellent excellent quality.

Perry

 

[EL72]

Originally Posted by pkincy

Whether or not they are fake, I can't say. However their silk and construction and details are the equal or better of any of the Brioni's I have bought at US retail. In fact I find the silk and construction to be far better than most of the Brioni's carried by NM.

Perry

I find that statement pretty hard to believe given my experience with this seller and my three Brioni ties, which are as good if not better than any other, and I have at least one tie from every top maker e.g. Borrelli, Zegna Couture, Nicky, Drakes, Barbera, Bizzocchi, Charvet, Kiton...

Originally Posted by pkincy

They have the brass backing plate and chain that my Brioni's from the US have and are excellent excellent quality.
Perry

Yes, but do they have Handmade in Italy and the fabric content and care instructions printed on the underside of the narrow blade as well as some sort of ID number printed above the Brioni logo inside the tipping? All authentic Brionis have this. Like in this pic:

 

[edmorel]

Originally Posted by EL72

I find that statement pretty hard to believe given my experience with this seller and my three Brioni ties, which are as good if not better than any other, and I have at least one tie from every top maker e.g. Borrelli, Zegna Couture, Nicky, Drakes, Barbera, Bizzocchi, Charvet, Kiton...



Yes, but do they have Handmade in Italy and the fabric content and care instructions printed on the underside of the narrow blade as well as some sort of ID number printed above the Brioni logo inside the tipping? All authentic Brionis have this. Like in this pic:

They probably don't have it, which is why the seller does not have the "supersize" option on his pics and he strategically sets the tie up for the pics so that you do not see those very things you mention. The woven silk Brioni ties that I have seen, not to mention their cashmere offerings, are some of the most luxurious of any that I have seen. That a fake tie can have fabric that approaches this is rather dubious if they are selling in the $30 range.

 

[pkincy]

Originally Posted by EL72

Yes, but do they have Handmade in Italy and the fabric content and care instructions printed on the underside of the narrow blade as well as some sort of ID number printed above the Brioni logo inside the tipping? All authentic Brionis have this. Like in this pic:

Your assertion of the stamp with Handmade in Italy on the narrow blade appears to be correct however the ID number assertion is incorrect.

I grabbed 7 Brioni's from the tie rack and 6 have the narrow blade stamping. The Lebanese sourced tie is the exception. The stamping differs in style but is always there. However Only 2 of the 7 had the ID number on the underside of the wide end. And 4 of the 7 had the box with the Brioni in script on the underside, 2 of these added the ID box. 5 of the 7 have been sourced recently from SFA and NM at retail, and the 6th was purchased at SFA about 5 years ago.

The Lebanese is the 7th and it has the Brioni in script in the box on the wide end but unlike the others has no stamping in the narrow end.

So based on my small sampling it is likely the stamping on the small end is a "tell." The wide end is a wild card unless you are willing to accuse NM and SFA of selling fake Brioni.

The Lebanese tie is absolutely the equal of the others in silk quality and thickness as well as apparent construction. I am not going to take them apart to make a definitive comparison.

Based on this sample I do agree it is likely the Lebanese tie is not a Brioni. Or maybe I had better say, does not have the one construction detail Brioni apparently puts in all its ties bound for a US merchant. It does have the Brioni in script on the underside of wide end however.

Perry

Another interesting point. Look at the sellers tie pictures. the ties from the 07 collection have Brioni in script but no box under the wide end. The 06 collecton ties have the script Brioni in the box. Either he is smart enough to know that Brioni is changing that detail in 07 or is becoming sloppy. My 2 recent purchases are the ones with no script or box on the wide end, so I can't say what the 07 collection looks like. That will be an interesting follow up.

 

[Dapper Dandy]

FWIW. I've bought a tie from this seller and agree it's fake. My authentic Brioni has the box with the number on wide blade, if you look up under the folded portion.

 

[EL72]

Originally Posted by pkincy

Your assertion of the stamp with Handmade in Italy on the narrow blade appears to be correct however the ID number assertion is incorrect.

I grabbed 7 Brioni's from the tie rack and 6 have the narrow blade stamping. The Lebanese sourced tie is the exception. The stamping differs in style but is always there. However Only 2 of the 7 had the ID number on the underside of the wide end. And 4 of the 7 had the box with the Brioni in script on the underside, 2 of these added the ID box. 5 of the 7 have been sourced recently from SFA and NM at retail, and the 6th was purchased at SFA about 5 years ago.

The Lebanese is the 7th and it has the Brioni in script in the box on the wide end but unlike the others has no stamping in the narrow end.

So based on my small sampling it is likely the stamping on the small end is a "tell." The wide end is a wild card unless you are willing to accuse NM and SFA of selling fake Brioni.

The Lebanese tie is absolutely the equal of the others in silk quality and thickness as well as apparent construction. I am not going to take them apart to make a definitive comparison.

Based on this sample I do agree it is likely the Lebanese tie is not a Brioni. Or maybe I had better say, does not have the one construction detail Brioni apparently puts in all its ties bound for a US merchant. It does have the Brioni in script on the underside of wide end however.

Perry

Another interesting point. Look at the sellers tie pictures. the ties from the 07 collection have Brioni in script but no box under the wide end. The 06 collecton ties have the script Brioni in the box. Either he is smart enough to know that Brioni is changing that detail in 07 or is becoming sloppy. My 2 recent purchases are the ones with no script or box on the wide end, so I can't say what the 07 collection looks like. That will be an interesting follow up.

Thanks for checking Perry, that helps. My smaller sample of three Brionis all have the ID number. Note that on some it appears further up the tipping and thus not visible unless you really look by unfolding the tie somewhat.

We've had a number of discussions of these ties. I have said before that one possibility is that someone in Lebanon or the Middle East has a legitimate license from Brioni to produce/sell ties for that specific market (also a possibility with the eBay seller of Testoni shoes from Argentina). I find this scenario pretty unlikely as it doesn't seem consistent with the business model of a high-end firm like Brioni to license out their brand name in this way but I am willing to concede that it's possible. That said, those ties would be grey market goods and not intended for sale to North America or Europe and perhaps not made to the same standards as other Brioni branded ties.

This sellers auctions just begs the question of how he can source so many Brioni ties for such a low price. Even if he has zero overhead and is working with very low margins, there is no way he can make a profit selling the same Brioni ties for $40 that NM and SFA sell for $165.

 

[Daan]

Hi, I own some of these Middle East Brioni ties. Searching for confirmation on authenticity I came across this forum.
Yesterday I gave the ties a closer look and noticed the Brioni logo "deep inside the tie"....just above where on some other Brioni ties the serial number is printed.
I wonder if a "faker" would go through the trouble to put a logo where no-one will see or notice it. I guess not.
Mayne someone can say something about this?

 

[airportlobby]

Reviving a long-dead thread.... I picked up this tie at Last Call yesterday, then once home got to thinking - it looks weird. The logo is silkscreened, there is no ID #, and there is a "waist" in the middle of the tie - all unlike my other Brioni ties. Is this just the newer style, or is this a fake? I've become suspicious that Last Call is (unknowingly) selling some other fake ****, perhaps returns.

 

[edmorel]

Don't worry about the NM Brioni ties, they are legit. Not all Brioni's have the serial number, I think none of the newer ones do. The Middle eastern ones are fake, whether they have the serial number or not.

 

[noVA99]

don't but the Middle Eastern crap....the proceeds go to fund terrorist groups...much the same way independent used car dealership revenues in major cities

 

[pfr0g]

The newer Brioni ties are no longer made by Italo Ferretti. Italo Ferretti ties for Brioni all had the serial number. Your tie from NM is the newer model, late 2006+. Also Italo Ferretti made a much nicer ties then the current Brioni maker, forgot who makes them but I can find out if someone is interested.

http://www.italoferretti.it/


http://www.styleforum.net/archive/index.php/t-1506.html

http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/f...p?t-74128.html


From Robb Report, looks like they were making ties for Brioni for a LONG time:

Wardrobe: Once Upon a Tie
William Kissel
If a tie's pattern does not readily identify it as one of Italo Ferretti's designs, then its construction should. Ferretti, a 64-year-old tie maker from Silvi Marina, Italy, has been producing neckwear for Brioni since the 1970s (except for a recent,...

 

[airportlobby]

Originally Posted by pfr0g

The newer Brioni ties are no longer made by Italo Ferretti. Italo Ferretti ties for Brioni all had the serial number. Your tie from NM is the newer model, late 2006+. Also Italo Ferretti made a much nicer ties then the current Brioni maker, forgot who makes them but I can find out if someone is interested.

http://www.italoferretti.it/


http://www.styleforum.net/archive/index.php/t-1506.html

http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/f...p?t-74128.html


From Robb Report, looks like they were making ties for Brioni for a LONG time:

Wardrobe: Once Upon a Tie
William Kissel
If a tie's pattern does not readily identify it as one of Italo Ferretti's designs, then its construction should. Ferretti, a 64-year-old tie maker from Silvi Marina, Italy, has been producing neckwear for Brioni since the 1970s (except for a recent,...


Ah, that explains the difference. I don't think I like this new make as much - it has a flimsier feel.