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Any One for a Scotch?

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by French Cuff Consignment, Dec 14, 2006.

  1. budapest12

    budapest12 Senior member

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    I have the Edition No 1 which sells for $90 - $120 in NYC area. Numerous casks used to age. 48% strength. I think it's excellent for the money but I haven't tried many whiskeys in the $100+ range, only a few.
     
  2. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Laphroaig is my favorite. Always have 18 stocked. Wanted to try 25 cask strength as well.

    Talisker, Ardbeg and Laguvilin don't do much for me.

    Balvenie 21 I also normally keep around. It is Port wood aged.

    Highland Park I need to try.


    Not familiar with Springbank. Will need to try.


    Macallan 18 is readily available everywhere. I did read recently that many of the distilleries, including Macallan, are being forced toward NAS. Aged supply is thinning.
     
  3. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Well, I put in my initial order:

    Bunnahabhain 25
    GlenDronach 21 Single Cask (1994)
    Glenglassaugh 30
    Laphroaig 25 Cask Strength
    Macallan 18

    Never tried Glenglassaugh, but the price can't be beat for a 30-year-old whisky. Reviews are good. Interesting story. Revived mothballed distillery, etc.

    Need to order Balvenie 21 separately. One of my favorites. Would kill for the non chill-filtered travel version.

    The Macallan 18 is to make guests feel nice without dipping into my good stuff. Not cheap, but common enough I don't have to feel bad about sharing it with the uninitiated.

    Standby bottles already in place: Laphroaig 18, Bunnahabhain 18, Aberlour A'Bunadh, Balvenie 15 Single Cask.

    Going to be an awesome year!
     
  4. JubeiSpiegel

    JubeiSpiegel Senior member

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    This is my understand of the whole scotch industry in general. Demand is exceeding supply by a lot, not good for an industry that requires 12-25 years to produce it's best products.

    The NAS strategy is a bandaid IMO, and i'm fearful for the future of quality scotch availability.
     
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    Looks pretty great. Don't forget, you can order small drams from masterofmalt if you're wanting to try something not on your list. I know people who have used the service before and it's an awesome idea.
     
  6. Master-Classter

    Master-Classter Senior member

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    Well look, I'll go double check on this then but I could have sworn they were fully moving into NAS style and the aged stock was running out. I haven't seen any aged versions around here or any duty free I've been to (3-5 of them in the past year around the world) so it was my understanding the supply was going very fast and all the years were being replaced by that color scheme version (amber, green, red etc). I don't know if those stores have backstock or it's still coming but I haven't seen aged Mac in quite a while. I did read an article oh probably 6 months ago about it and Mac said that they were in favor of it (eh who knows) becuase everyone gets so wrapped up in the exact year/age of a scotch when really it's only an indicator and there's stuff that's junk at 25-30 years and it's novelty and then things like QC that are only actually about 6-7 years and in the end as long as it's a good product and you trust the brand and blender, then who cares what exact number of 'years' it aged for. It's like picking a suit based on a brand name and chest size, really doesn't tell you anything you actually need to know about how it'll fit you. I only have a Mac 12 myself, would like to add the 18 and was bummed I missed out on that CS version a couple of years 'back.

    Ah, I didn't realize you had actually tried all of these already. Figured you were just doing a big blind buy of the best known Scotches and picking fairly high age versions because why not. OK so if you've tried Talisker, Ardbeg and Laguvulin and don't really like them, then I'd say at least for now don't force it. You seem to know your own taste quite well. And a debatable point here but I'd say that if you don't like the standard expressions of those then for now don't bother trying their various editions either becuase at their core they're still more or less the house style just with a minor tweak. OK so if you know and love Laphroaig, then the 18 is a solid pick and if you're going through Duty Free, check out the P/X version which if you like a bit of sherry addition, and given that you have A'bunadh I'd assume you do, because that might be an interesting winner for you.
    Highland Park - so keep in mind that it's sort of like the Jonny Walker of better level Scotch, meaning you might find the 12 or 18 actually a little underwhelming, but I think the point with these is that they're just good solid easy to drink Scotches that have a bit of everything going on and are nicely balanced and consistent. I've heard really mixed reviews about all of their many many 'special' versions, so IMO I'd say stick with the standard expressions for now. The HP's are great to give a guest who isn't really into scotch or doesn't want anything that'll bowl them over. 12 is a great cheap drinker and the 18 is a very nicely balanced classy glass IMO.
    Springbank is definitely worth a try.... now if you liked Laphroaig but didn't like Ardbeg, Talisker, or Lagavulin, then I'm still not exactly sure what you'll make of it, but it is different enough from all of those others that one of them is definitely worth a shot. Perhaps a dram at a local bar is a good way to get a sense before buying a bottle. I think I have the 12 for now but have heard great things about the 15 and 18 as well.

    I hope that this sort of artisanal #menswear revival thing will pass over withing the next few years... the tight suits, the flashy shoes, the weird facial hair, and the cocktail mania etc and they'll move on to something else and leave all the good stuff to those who've been into it long before it was mainstream cool. And hopefully there'll still be some Pappy and single malts left for those of us that remain. #getoffmylawn
     
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  7. Fueco

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    Goddamned hipsters with their moustsche wax, saison beer and craft whisky. #getoffmylawn

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    Doesn't look like it. I can't even keep track anymore of the number of people, not having ever been whisk(e)y enthusiasts, who read some article about prices shooting up in auctions, and go out and buy random whiskies, and then come show off to me how well they did. A colleague the other day bought 3 bottles of Yoichi 10 yr, at the supermarket in HK no less, for double the retail price in Japan, and thought he made out like a bandit because he read that Yoichi is going to NAS bottlings. They are going to NAS, but there is little to no demand in the secondary market for this bottling, and there will be no price appreciation at the price he acquired the bottles. It's people like this who are driving up the retail prices and reducing the supply, without any appreciation for the product at all.
     
  9. Master-Classter

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    I'm all in favor of people really getting into something and enjoying it and learning about the craft etc, but it bugs me when someone just walks in and throws some cash at the problem and buys the 'top recommended' ones, or in this case, everyone wants to be a special unicorn so they're searching for the secret edition only known to true enthusiasts version of it and then they buy it, still not really knowing what it is or why it's beloved, just that it's the 'one' you're supposed to have when you're in the know and because it's the hard to produce stuff, the rest of us go back to the store one day and are like huh what wha, what happened to my beloved bottle's price and supply? Raffle, what the hell is that? I mean it's like going to go get a bespoke suit and just saying eh make me a whatever I don't really care, I just want a suit that's bespoke, you figure it out.

    Also, I'm at the bottom of a rather large glass of rye, so might just be old man rambling here...
     
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  10. jcman311

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    Well said Daniel.

    I have a few views on this. Yes, collectors as always suck. I "collect" some bottles but I fully intend on drinking every one. It might not be for another 30 years, but I will. Despite my finds a couple of posts ago I will not be selling that Yamazaki anytime soon (unless to invest in childrens college education) I also dont want to turn anyone away from a new hobby. Who knows if some Stephen Hawking of whisky has yet to be turned on to the stuff. What if they could solve the current stock shortage?

    I can correlate my experience with my scent collection as well. I just got into real fragrances a year ago and the experience has been crazy. I have a drawer full of samples and a few bottles. I literally had to emerge myself in it and I have barely touched the tip of the iceberg. I can imagine it being the same for someone just starting single malts (or higher end blends) There is a HUGE amount of whisky out there. I remember stumbling onto the malt maniacs website and spending days there reading and looking through whisky lists. What puzzled me is that there were all these weird bottles on there that I had never seen nor heard of. And that is when I discovered independent bottlers. That my friends is the tip of the iceberg of whisky. One can get lost in all of the independent bottlers. Independent bottlers may also help one stay away from the crazy Official Bottler prices as they have much lower overhead.

    I dont want a unicorn (although I think I have several nice bottles) I think thats why my daily is still A'bunadh or something else cheap, cs, and sherried. I tried the peats and smokes and like them but I would get the worst headaches the next day because of all the "bad stuff" in them (impurities that come with the smoke and peat)

    Anyways enough of the rambling. What I think scotch companies should do (if they plan on continuing the NAS) is start buying factory space near the equator and start aging there. I'll just state my now favorite non scotch single malt comes from Amrut which is an Indian whisky. Their whisky ages quickly and they really do great things with their stuff. If someone like a Talisker or Balvenie would team up with them it would be amazing.

    So @mafoofan try some Amrut. They have sherry and some peat ones that are great. I'd recommend the Portonova if you can find it or the Intermediate Sherry. Their cask strength regular stuff is super peaty as well.

    And damn you people stop drinking all my whisky! [​IMG]
     
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  11. JubeiSpiegel

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    For me, it's about full disclosure. Like that tag on an article of clothing indicating the fabric composition. It might not be an important element for everyone to know, but it's important information to those in search of quality. It has not been an issue for distilleries in the past to clearly mark the age on their bottlings. Sure it has a lot to do with the whiskey shortage world wide, but it suggests that they are aware of the marketing misstep of being transparent with these NAS bottlings.

    I would not care if a good dram just happen to be 6 or even 3 years old, but have the courage to present this information on the bottle. It's something we would demand on our other sartorial endeavors, why not here?
     
  12. Gibonius

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    They've trained people to equate age with quality for a long time, so they'd rather just dodge the issue with NAS than risk losing sales.
     
  13. jcman311

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    It just sucks that they have basically taken a sucessful idea from the likes of Aberlour and the duty free section of NAS and made it their company standard procedure. And also, they never learned their lesson from the 80's when their was too much whisky and distilleries closed. Now they dont have enough so pass the problem onto the consumer. I have a feeing the same thing might be 10 years down the road as happened in the 80's.
     
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    Slightly off topic, but I just found the Yamazaki 18 on a shelf in San Diego. Unfortunately it was $500.
     
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    I saw two bottles sitting on a shelf recently. They were on a shelf in my liquor cabinet.
     
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  16. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Tried some Bruichladdich Black Art (4th release). Holy cow. Walked out with a bottle.
     
  17. Roger la Rock

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    Sadly there appear to be legal restrictions on this under EU regulations.

    See http://www.compassboxwhisky.com/transparency/
     
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  18. JubeiSpiegel

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    I was going to bring up the Compass Box situation, already signed the petition.

    However, I believe it's more regarding blend makers disclosing the various distillers used to make said blend. Which is another sad predicament.
     
  19. Master-Classter

    Master-Classter Senior member

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    just signed it myself, eh why not.
     
  20. Roger la Rock

    Roger la Rock Senior member

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    Speaking of unicorns, this arrived this week.

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    So good. A vatting of Lark and Tasmania Distillery (Sullivan's Cove). Cask types include Port, Bourbon, some Sherry and a small amount of red wine. 66.1%, thick & luscious with some crunchy bits. Only about a hundred bottles produced, all pre-ordered.
     

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