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Ambassador hat. Persian or mink?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by PeterS, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. PeterS

    PeterS Member

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    There are few really cool choices out there for warmth. As far as I see the only choice is an Ambassador Hat. I am a big fan of the persian lambs wool (very special lambs wool actually).
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    The not so obvious choice is the mink version of the same hat. I don't know what to think. I have some kind of vague memory of Lee Marvin sporting one of these in a movie but alarm bells ring. I am no big fan...
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    What do you guys out there say? Persian lamb or mink?
     
  2. JayJay

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    P-K-L Senior member

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    I would go either mink or have a look at sable and chinchilla as well depending on your hair colour and complexion.
     
  4. uhurit

    uhurit Senior member

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    Mink.

    Persian had been worn in the past mostly by aging politburo leaders
     
  5. PeterS

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    Answer to "uhurit": I found a pic from the movie Gorky Park where Lee Marvin has a mink one. Still undecisive. The lamb one is very politburo or Afgan Leader kind of. And very out there...Lee Marvin is really cool and I now see that he pulls it off...I am not.[​IMG]
     
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    Difficult decision...
     
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    I agree in priciple, perhaps. But I have this strange fascination for the Persian lamb one...
     
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    And by Hamid Karzai.

    It's also known as a Karakul hat, and is made from the fur of the Karakul (or Qaraqul) sheep, or Karakul lambs to be more precise.
    According to some sources, the best such fur/fleece comes from aborted lamb foetuses, which is a bit unsettling. The fur/fleece is also known as astrakhan.
     
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    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    What should be more unsettling is that one of the largest donors to the National Right to Life Committee owns the premier fetal lamb processor in India. Obviously, money and politics counts more than principle.
     
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    Blackunderpants Well-Known Member

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    I think mink looks more classy but you could look like a poser trying to look rich.
     
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    Astrakhan all the way. Mink is just too finely textured for a guy. A different, slightly less feminine fur might work as well - such as beaver or such.

    As for the cruelty factor - if one wears leather shoes one has no room to talk about any of this any differently.

    As long as the animals are raised and slaughtered humanely fur is no different than leather.
     
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    Astrakhan looks amazing, despite the politburo associations. It never really gets cold enough to justify the hat here, but if I lived somewhere where it does, I'd be very tempted.

    BTW, the new Prada collection features some fantastic Astrakhan-lapelled overcoats and the like. Man, I want...!
     
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    Master Squirrel Senior member

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    I have one in vintage seal. That being said, either shearling, beaver or mink will work.
     
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    Sorry to split hairs here but I think that's sable, which is the marten indigenous to Russia. The movie is about sable smuggling organized by Marvin's character. Sable is considered the most beautiful and richly tinted pelt among martens, which include mink.

    Putting aside concerns of looking too Politburo, I think the lamb is the better choice. It's an attractive yet unique "fur" option, but isn't as feminine or associated w/ pimp/NBA as the more commonly seen fox/chincilla/mink fur.
     
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    Astrakhan looks great, but not as a hat like this. For reference, LabelKing has a coat with astrakhan lapels. That's freaking awesome. You also need to have a very particular personal style to pull of fur hats of any style. If that's you in your avatar, I'm not sure I would recommend a fur hat for you.
     
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    Is a hat that doesn't even cover your ears really a cold weather hat? Never had one, kinda like the look, but not sure how this beats a Fedora on a day that is truly cold.
     
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    To handle the brutal cold they often have ear flaps (felt, I recall) that fold down.
     
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    I saw a very nice looking Astrakhan hat at the Prada shop last month. Unfortunately, it wasn't in my size, and the folks weren't able to get one for me.
     
  19. PeterS

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    Word!
     
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    The Persian Lamb Ambassador have ear flaps one can fold down...if one does that I believe onw would look really ridiculus though.
     

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