alright, we need an electronica thread up in here

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  1. Nick M

    Nick M Senior member

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    How is dubstep different from dub or psydub?
    Dubstep is supposed to be a fusion of dub and UK garage (or "2Step") - that is, dub with RnB and ragga vocals, different kinds of drum effects like reversed drums and shuffling drum loops, and much overuse of that turntable "spinback" effect. Dubstep is mostly instrumental, though - at least, what I've heard has been.

    Oman's track was very nice and all, but I didn't really hear much dub reggae or garage. To me, it had more of a kind of ambient vibe.

    I've never heard of psydub, so can't help you there.

    Honestly, all these minute deviations of genres that get their own name is starting to confuse me.
     
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    I like VeeDub.

    Jon.
     
  3. oman

    oman Senior member

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    Oman's track was very nice and all, but I didn't really hear much dub reggae or garage. To me, it had more of a kind of ambient vibe.
    yeah, it's not really dubstep - it's just really dubby music

    maybe unclassifiable

    i am not a fan of the myriad variations of the dub-whatever genre names
     
  4. skalogre

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    Any Renegade Soundwave fans here?

    On suggestions... hmm, tough one.I like the darker stuff though, Scorn and related side-projects are excellent.

    haujobb's "99" and "Vertical Theory" are both excellent and have a lot of more "IDM" influence though.
    And for more experimental vein, Download ("Eye of Stanley Pain" is really coarse and finely honed at teh same time) and Architect (haujobb's Daniel Meyer sideproject).

    For rock-including drum and bass, one way to go, Cubanate! "Interference" is definitely a fusion of the two ("Barbarossa" and "Cyberia" use more four on the floor beats rather than breaks).

    One of the most interesting things I have heard in a while is Male or Female. Just incredible visuals; probably the best live performance I have seen, too. EBM/Metal/Breaks/IDM/Trance - the works.
     
  5. oman

    oman Senior member

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    I like the darker stuff

    are you familiar with danny kreutzfeldt? kid living in denmark or somesuch, started getting involved in the scene at age twelve... child fucking prodigy. very depressed kid, though. recently released a new album, called Atrum. from an interview:

    keep in mind, it's very experimental. very fucked up atonal droney clanging sounds, stretched out and manipulated, with really intricately assembled and sequenced polyrhythmics and heroin'd out techno beats, most depressing dance music i have EVER HEARD (-doof)

    click here to d/l "polar" by danny kreutzfeldt, under his sgnl_fltr alias
     
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    Some Edgard Varèse perhaps?

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    I'm listening to Astrix and 1200 mics right now, been getting into more psytrance lately.
     
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    Psydub is like dub with more electronic elements.

    Red Seal is a good example. Check out his tracks "Battle for Liquid Space", "In A Di Battle" and "Always in Control". Fat dubby bassline, electronic instruments, ragga vocals.

    My primary passion is psytrance. My favorite artist is Artifakt.
     
  9. oman

    oman Senior member

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    Some Edgard Varèse perhaps?

    [​IMG]

    yeah this guy's def. cool for pioneering electronica

    i'm sometimes sickened by the thought of a million garage bands within a kilometer of me, each comprised of basically the same pattern - a guitarist or two, a bassist, and a drummer

    music is becoming standardized. there's only a certain amount of sounds that can be made with a formulaic drum kit. when cavemen experimented with music, i don't think they banged the same types of rocks together, or the same types of sticks. i'm sure they experimented with different objects, to achieve different ranges of sound. that's why we have so many different string instruments.

    but when something like the guitar-bass-drumkit combo becomes prevalent, it means music is stagnating. varèse realized this even before the garage-band format became so commonplace. with technology, we can produce almost any range of aural effects, both inside and outside the human hearing range. why would anyone use a goddamn analogue instrument like a guitar, when you can go digital? it's about the music, not the instruments.

    very few people agree with me. and of those that do, fewer still are aware that they agree with me. interestingly, though, the music-listeners that are in agreement with me quickly fly through the "obligatories" (pink floyd, led zeppelin, beatles, countless others), and drift onto other, more aurally expressive forms of music, like hip-hop (which i love for the sampling almost as much as the vocal element) and IDM-style electronica.

    in the end, things tend to work out as they should.

    edit - note that i am not bashing pink floyd, zep, et al.
    i grew up on them. they were the epitome of that musical era, which is precisely WHY we need to move on to different kinds of instruments, because the guitar-bass-drum combo has already been done so well.
     
  10. skalogre

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    yeah this guy's def. cool for pioneering electronica

    i'm sometimes sickened by the thought of a million garage bands within a kilometer of me, each comprised of basically the same pattern - a guitarist or two, a bassist, and a drummer

    music is becoming standardized. there's only a certain amount of sounds that can be made with a formulaic drum kit. when cavemen experimented with music, i don't think they banged the same types of rocks together, or the same types of sticks. i'm sure they experimented with different objects, to achieve different ranges of sound. that's why we have so many different string instruments.

    but when something like the guitar-bass-drumkit combo becomes prevalent, it means music is stagnating. varèse realized this even before the garage-band format became so commonplace. with technology, we can produce almost any range of aural effects, both inside and outside the human hearing range. why would anyone use a goddamn analogue instrument like a guitar, when you can go digital? it's about the music, not the instruments.

    very few people agree with me. and of those that do, fewer still are aware that they agree with me. interestingly, though, the music-listeners that are in agreement with me quickly fly through the "obligatories" (pink floyd, led zeppelin, beatles, countless others), and drift onto other, more aurally expressive forms of music, like hip-hop (which i love for the sampling almost as much as the vocal element) and IDM-style electronica.

    in the end, things tend to work out as they should.

    edit - note that i am not bashing pink floyd, zep, et al.
    i grew up on them. they were the epitome of that musical era, which is precisely WHY we need to move on to different kinds of instruments, because the guitar-bass-drum combo has already been done so well.


    Hey, I would be willing to bash them [​IMG] . While I like Varese ( I have a recently released four Cd retrospective), look in to Yianis Xenakis. He took a lot of the ideas of Varese and increased teh complexity factor. I highly recommend "Electro-Acoustic Music" (Bofors is great).
    Make sure you look in to Stockhausen, John Cage etc (usual suspects). And go from there. The best part of the 70's was definitely Industrial Records - nee Cabaret Voltaire & Throbbing Gristle. The roots of modern electronic music in a nutshell.
     
  11. faustian bargain

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    File under "Strange British Hip-hop".

    If you're looking for more collaborative stuff with rappers, I'd try Mark B and Blade.

    For the instrumental side of things, Mix Master Mike from the US, DJ Spooky, and DJ Q-Bert.


    i guess i was thinking of the less 'hip-hoppy' pieces, like World Domination from 2000.

    i like real crunchy, menacing sounding drum and bass. i also like roni size, who can sound raw at times. he plays a mean bass.
     
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    Some Edgard Varèse perhaps?

    [​IMG]


    varese composed 'poeme electronique' for corbusier's philips pavilion at the brussels expo in 1958. it was one of the first 'multimedia' environments, featuring varese's music and video projections on the walls.

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    ***edit: can you tell, these people are about to Rave. hey, there's even a sister of perpetual indulgence!
     
  13. visionology

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    Right now David Guetta is what I'm listening to, good stuff. He does some great mixes, especially one of The Eurythmics - I've got a Life.

    Some good raw DnB acts are Aphrodite, Adam Freeland, Pendulum, sometimes LTJ Bukem.
     
  14. gamelan

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    Steve Reich, Music For 18 Musicians. Prepare to be amazed.

    The 'M' bands, Mum, Mogwai, Matmos, and to a lesser extent Manitoba came to mind for the person asking about electronica and rock/pop.

    no one mentioned Oval so i will. i'd recommend systemische for starters.

    also, i'm surprised no one has mentioned the Orb.

    but as far as pure electronic goes (whatever THAT means), Aphex Twin is still the best starting point.

    -Jeff
     
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    Depends on how hard you like your rock. All the names I can think of probably lean more towards pop-rock/electronica.
    ...
    I'm sure there are plenty of others.


    Will be checking some of those out, sound interesting... here's a few more suggestions:

    M83 (gorgeous ambient indie/electronic. saw them live at Glastonbury, fantastic)
    Postal Service (emo + techno... technemo?)
    Primal Scream (and other early 90s Madchester indie bands)
    Animal Collective (acoustic IDM?)
    Prodigy (especially later stuff)
    Chicks on Speed (German art-school feminist weirdness)
    Mad Capsule Markets (hard rock with techno samples in)
    Senser (same as above)
    Atari Teenage Riot (and anything else from Alec Empire/Digital Hardcore)

    Not sure if I'd call the Mikro track at the top of this thread Dubstep... Dubstep I've heard before has all been dirty grime-influenced tracks. Markone, Loefah, etc. on Rephlex or the Dubstep Allstars compilations.

    Guitars are obsolete [​IMG]
     

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