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Alligator / Crocodile Shoes

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by SpooPoker, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. Tried and True

    Tried and True Senior member

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    I like the price, the color is ok but the style is not my cuppa.
     
  2. Gianni Cerutti

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    ^I agree they look great.
     
  4. Tried and True

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    Probably something they stocked to go with that Phineas Cole line.
     
  5. jaythejet

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    When it comes to the actual quality of croc gator skins, do the big shoemakers like EG, GG, JL, Cleverley, etc always get the best skins? Or do those shoemakers who specialize in croc/gator shoes have access to the best skins? From what I've seen on this thread JL and GG seem to have the best skins but I haven't done too much research on exotics
     
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    I suspect it's just a matter of cutting efficiencies. Smaller skins have smaller more refined tiles--the proportion/percentage of waste (which is paid for) is greater on smaller skins than on larger skins. For that reason alone, manufacturers will gravitate towards larger animals simply because of the costs...economies of scale, as who should say.

    And larger tiles always look rougher and cruder.

    I have access to great quality alligator and croc...and, realistically, I've got zero buying leverage.
     
  8. jaythejet

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    Yes I do remember reading somewhere on this thread that you have access to some of the best Nile croc skins out there so I guess really all shoemakers could source the best exotics with the right amount of research. DWF which shoemaker(s) do you think source the best croc hides?
     
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    I think these are they same model that Ron Rider was closing out a couple of years ago for $249. My son has a pair and I'll check with him.
     
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    Hermes owns the top tannery of exotics in the world so I suppose JL (a subsidiary) would get first pick of all the shoe makers. That's why they gobbled up all the best tanneries, so they wouldn't have to compete for the best skins.
     
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    DWFII, how does croc or gator hold up in the long run? My pair hasn't creased like calf does and the tiles can't be compared to any other skin I've seen.
     
  12. DWFII

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    Depends on the tannage.

    The old bombe' finished croc was a pure veg, as I understand it, and dry. It would crack out fairly readily. A lot of bootmakers...cutting the entire foot/vamp without any piecing...resorted to cutting the vamp "on the bias," so to speak--so the creases in the shoe/boot wouldn't be running in the spaces between the tiles.

    The newer tannage (30 yeas since I first saw it?) has a much finer hand. I wouldn't hesitate to make any shoe or boot from it and i would expect it to last as long, or longer, than the best calf. If kept clean and conditioned..
     
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    No idea really...sorry.

    I don't think sourcing is the issue, however. As I mentioned it's more a matter of cutting and utilization of the resource. If you're cutting pieces from the margins, it's never gonna be prime. If you're cutting from dinosaurs or in the tail, it's never going to look as refined as the smaller...and most importantly--younger animals.
     
  14. bengal-stripe

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    Modern tanning can make crocodile/alligator leather as soft as fabric.

    Here is the famous (infamous) Hermès "t-shirt", selling at a cool 91.5k dollars.

    http://www.divahair.ro/uploads/articole/original/articole_9057.jpg


    Consider the leather comes from really old and big animals (front and back are a single hide each), see how the material moves with the guy.

    I wonder if the thing is washable. :)
     
  15. akatsuki

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    So is anyone interested in doing an Alligator MTO through Carmina or Vass? Style is still up in the air:

    Couple of options

    Wholecut (this is chobochobo's alligator wholecut on Rain last by Carmina)
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    Dual-material boot (French Oxford boot found here)
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    Anyway, PM me if you are interested (and what style of shoe you would be in for) and if I get enough interest (6+), I will start pricing it out with Epaulet here in NY.
     
  16. DWFII

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    Bottom photo--the leather is caiman...not good.
     
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    Agreed - more just for the style rather than the actual shoe.
     
  18. Gianni Cerutti

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    The boots is a real cool.
     
  19. meister

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    In that cable channel program Swamp Men one sees the gator gathering guys getting (small) gators - though they love to get the big suckers - it probably is the meat and extra amount of skin they fetch that encourages them along with the skill needed.

    Working on the DWFII theory those smaller gators are choice for boot leather?
     
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  20. DWFII

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    In my opinion, they are the choice for shoe leathers as well.

    In any species, the younger animals will be yield the better leather. the fiber mat will be denser and finer. And there will be less scarring, less chance of the skins having been damaged by parasites (such as warbles and botflies in land animals and leeches in gators), and, of course, the travails of living.
     

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