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Allen Edmonton MCAllistar vs Berwick 1707 vs Hungarian Rosznya and a lot of complicated questions

Till Espeli

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Jan 24, 2016
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Hi :)

I am new to this forum so don't go too harsh on me :D and i also never owned a pair of dress shoes :D

I need a pair of Oxfords in the 250 Euro range. So after a lot of research and phone calls i narrowed it down to 3 options:


I need orthopedic shoe soles, should i still size half a size down on the Berwicks and the Loaks?

And a few more questions regarding my indecisiveness and doubts i hope you can answer me:

- How do these 3 compare in terms of quality (looks, craftsmanship and materials). Is there a winner? Is it true that the Berwicks are on pair with C&J?
-What's the difference between the Berwick "Ramato" color and walnut from AE?
-The Berwick seems to have a thicker outsole, is that true?
-Do the Berwicks have the most shock absorbing soles due it being thicker? If not who, does?
-Would it be possible to attach a thin rubber sole on top of the leather sole of the AE / Loakes? Would that make the sole as thick as the Berwick and also give more schock absorbtion?
-Do all 3 have the same heel height?
-Are the Loaks and Berwicks roomier than AE?

Kind regards and thank you very much :)
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