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Allen Edmonds Balmoral Boot in the works

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by NukeMeSlowly, Dec 8, 2009.

  1. MyOtherLife

    MyOtherLife Senior member

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    If this new AE boot is to my liking I'll buy one pair in each finish.

    Dear Doc,
    It would have been more interesting if you would have made a list, point by point what AE could do to win you over on a boot model. That would be far more interesting to read and also the AE gods may take note.
     
  2. DocHolliday

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    If this new AE boot is to my liking I'll buy one pair in each finish.

    Dear Doc,
    It would have been more interesting if you would have made a list, point by point what AE could do to win you over on a boot model. That would be far more interesting to read and also the AE gods may take note.


    Point 1: Offer a plain captoe blucher boot, the sort of classic, rugged design that would work well with AE's trademark clunky heel.

    There ends the list.
     
  3. pdial

    pdial Senior member

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    Point 1: Offer a plain captoe blucher boot, the sort of classic, rugged design that would work well with AE's trademark clunky heel.

    There ends the list.


    +1

    AE really just needs to learn one thing.

    Keep
    It
    Simple
    Stupid
     
  4. AlanC

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    ^I would prefer a punch cap.
    I think this is my problem with it. Or, more specifically, AE's problem. They lack a core direction. It always seems like they're trying everything, without focusing on their strengths. It's not that I object to AE making bal boots per se, and I don't begrudge bal boot fans this offering. But looking at the devastation of the American shoemaking industry, and knowing how hard it is for a company like AE to survive these days, it just seems like a shakey way of doing business.
    No disagreement there. I think having a core group of standard offerings makes more sense to me (a la Alden). Perhaps on top of that you could have a secondary group of classics that could be offered on a rotating basis every few years. Then throw in your experimental models. I don't know what sort of input their bigger customers like Nordstrom and JAB have. Perhaps they demand a lot of model church.
     
  5. Journeyman

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    I'd be interested as long as such a boot is not on the same last as the AE Park Avenues.
    I find that to be a incredible "flat" last, with next to no instep height.
    I tried on something ridiculous like a EEE fitting to see if I could get some additional room for my instep and it still felt as though the shoe was crushing the top of my foot.
     
  6. Albern

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    I could be interested in this. Hopefully it will be along the lines of an EG Shannon or Rider captoe.
     
  7. RIDER

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    Considering they've been cutting corners lately (or so it looks to me), I'd rather they focus on quality and develop a strong set of core offerings before trying to capture lightning in a bottle. The odds of an almost obsolete shoe style becoming the next big thing, or even a major seller, strike me as remarkably slim. Personally, I'd be more likely to buy from them if they offered more Strands and fewer far-out shoes in hoping of tapping a market niche that probably doesn't exist. They're going to offer a bal boot but they don't even offer a simple blucher boot like the Coniston? Really?

    I love old-school American shoes, and AE could be making those, but instead it devotes its time to stuff like this. Always chasing trends, rarely doing them well. Even as its perennial No. 1 seller is its most conservative offering, effectively unchanged for decades. It makes me a bit sad.


    Funny you brought this up.....and interesting to see they are making a play in boots.

    Last month I called them and asked if they were interested in getting together for a little collaboration. I said I had some ideas, but we would have to get rid of some of the components they turned to if I was going to put my name on anything......I would want leather welts instead of the pvc they use now, 270 degree not 360, Rendenbach soles in place of the chipboard soles and a different leather insole and the old linen/cotton thread in place of the poly thread they use now. They never called me back.....lol. The rep, who is a first-rate guy, asked some questions that indicated to me they really don't have a clue how to work a niche business.......they need volume. For a factory that needs volume, this sort of pattern is probably a waste of time and production, IMO. It's a niche item.....guys like me.

    Anyway, I am nobody, so it doesn't surprise me they never called to discuss.....it was just an idea I had and I thought I could help them clean up some pattern work using my stylist in Italy for the pattern sketching and pattern cutting - and my ideas for material usage. But, they don't need me.

    I think it is interesting to observe A/E and how they get thru the next few seasons being run by non-shoe people.....marketing guys are now in charge with absolutely NO shoe experience.....with the market as it is, and comparing it to Alden, who seems to be weathering the storm fairly well. I hope I am wrong......I just have a feeling I've seen this movie before - it was called 'Johnston & Murphy - How to Destroy a Brand'.
     
  8. Steven Aver

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    Has anyone see AE's new last? It is very nice
     
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    I am going up to Port Washington, Wisconsin on December 22nd to tour the AE factory with some other Chicago sartorialist , and CEO Paul Grangaard will show us the 2010 line-up. We will undoubtedly bring up the demand for ankle boots.

    Francisco d'Anconia received a pair of Malvern chukkas with a leather sole replacing the standard danite sole and they're very sweet.
     
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    Funny you brought this up.....and interesting to see they are making a play in boots.

    Last month I called them and asked if they were interested in getting together for a little collaboration. I said I had some ideas, but we would have to get rid of some of the components they turned to if I was going to put my name on anything......I would want leather welts instead of the pvc they use now, 270 degree not 360, Rendenbach soles in place of the chipboard soles and a different leather insole and the old linen/cotton thread in place of the poly thread they use now. They never called me back.....lol. The rep, who is a first-rate guy, asked some questions that indicated to me they really don't have a clue how to work a niche business.......they need volume. For a factory that needs volume, this sort of pattern is probably a waste of time and production, IMO. It's a niche item.....guys like me.

    Anyway, I am nobody, so it doesn't surprise me they never called to discuss.....it was just an idea I had and I thought I could help them clean up some pattern work using my stylist in Italy for the pattern sketching and pattern cutting - and my ideas for material usage. But, they don't need me.

    I think it is interesting to observe A/E and how they get thru the next few seasons being run by non-shoe people.....marketing guys are now in charge with absolutely NO shoe experience.....with the market as it is, and comparing it to Alden, who seems to be weathering the storm fairly well. I hope I am wrong......I just have a feeling I've seen this movie before - it was called 'Johnston & Murphy - How to Destroy a Brand'.

    ^LOL @ J+M
     
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    I think this is my problem with it. Or, more specifically, AE's problem. They lack a core direction. It always seems like they're trying everything, without focusing on their strengths.

    It's not that I object to AE making bal boots per se, and I don't begrudge bal boot fans this offering. But looking at the devastation of the American shoemaking industry, and knowing how hard it is for a company like AE to survive these days, it just seems like a shakey way of doing business.


    The main difference between AE and Alden is that AE is a much bigger company that is owned by private equity investors and has a much bigger payroll to support. IIRC, Alden is still a family-owned company whose objectives may well differ from those of AE's investors. Such differences probably make it incumbent upon AE to produce a broader range of product that Alden.
     
  12. NukeMeSlowly

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    Point 1: Offer a plain captoe blucher boot, the sort of classic, rugged design that would work well with AE's trademark clunky heel.

    There ends the list.


    If you re-read my OP, before reference to the balmoral captoe, you will see reference to a "Titanic" movie inspired/created/something boot. Based on my hazy memory of that film and limited knowledge of the time period in question, I am assuming that this boot will be in line with your list of demands. [​IMG]
     
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    ^LOL @ J+M

    Yup....here's hoping another doesn't bite the dust - or move production to India.
     
  14. DocHolliday

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    If you re-read my OP, before reference to the balmoral captoe, you will see reference to a "Titanic" movie inspired/created/something boot. Based on my hazy memory of that film and limited knowledge of the time period in question, I am assuming that this boot will be in line with your list of demands. [​IMG]

    Perhaps, but the combined offering of a balmoral boot and one specifically meant to recall a style from 1912 makes me rather skeptical. [​IMG]
     
  15. NukeMeSlowly

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    Perhaps, but the combined offering of a balmoral boot and one specifically meant to recall a style from 1912 makes me rather skeptical. [​IMG]

    I guess I am seeing the glass half full. From my perspective, any movment towards an affordable, accessible balmoral dress boot is good news.

    But, of course, the proof of the pudding will be in the tasting.
     
  16. Steven Aver

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    The titanic mention is interesting as I know that Stacy Adams provided most of the shoes for the movie, and they still make shoes on the Madison last, which are completely different from the better known pimped out disasters they produce. They are actually still made with a goodyear construction. Not in anyway to trying to glorify Stacy Adams (hate them actually) , but at retail of $100 I dont think you can get another GY welted shoe @ full retail.
     
  17. AnGeLiCbOrIs

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    I really wish AE would go back to the old sockliner they used to use, it was great.

    The newer hard black liner is terrible IMO. I know they recently modified it to be a little more forgiving, but I still think its a miss.

    Look forward to their new offerings..


    AE salesperson told me that they are going back to the old insole.
     
  18. NukeMeSlowly

    NukeMeSlowly Senior member

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    It is official.


    Season's Greetings, Gents -

    We're looking forward to the visit from some of our good AAAC friends on 12/22. They will get a full showing of the Spring and Fall additions for 2010, as well as a factory tour while a pair of custom brown cordovan Strands are being made. It'll be a good day.

    Just this week we gave our new balmoral boot its name - The Fifth Street. It is indeed the Fifth Avenue pattern on the #5 last and will available in brown, black and cordovan. It's a fantastic looking boot.

    It has some great companions in a boot line-up for next year. We'll also have blucher boot that was worn by the cast in the movie TITANIC, a rugged leather take on a chelsea boot with the tasteful rubber sole of our Executive Collection shoes, and a pebble grain rubber soled chukka on a thicker but still classy rubber sole known as a Titan sole. Lots to like there.

    And yes, the catalyst for the inspiration definitely was input from you all. We're grateful because we're really excited about these boots! But 2010 is not going to be the year of the boot only -- wait until you see the shoes we've got coming....

    Best,
    Paul


    I am now budgeting for one in each color. [​IMG]
     
  19. Steven Aver

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    E is doing the Macneil in a few cool colors (like Navy) Spring 2010.
     
  20. Rusty G.

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    When is the boot expected to be available?
     

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