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Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread - reviews, pictures, sizing, etc...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mild Mannered, Sep 27, 2009.

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  1. MoneyWellSpent

    MoneyWellSpent Senior member

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    They are different leathers and different colors. The natural color McTavish is the Horween Dublin leather, while the Elgin is a waxed saddle leather. There isn't much more information given on the type of leather the Elgin is made from, but it has a bit more sheen to it than the Dublin, and is more of a toffee color.
     


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    Cold Iron posted some side-by-side picture (before applying Neatsfoot). It seems the Elgins are just a touch darker (and with a bit more sheen) than the tan McTavish.
     


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    I can't help you all the way through fit, but I can say that you need to put your toe length to the back of your mind. In the pictures you've been pointing to where your toe hits. Where does the ball of your foot reach when you're not forcing yourself forward? THAT is what matters for length. I find my strands and park aves (both 5 last) to be long. I've got about an inch or so between my toe and the end. The ball of my foot, though, reaches the widest curve in the shoe and the crease comes right where it should be. I would guess that, unless you have VERY long toes, trying to fit your toe to the length of the shoe would put the crease in a very weird and forward place.

    Another thing on length - that i never got until I fit in my first pair of proper shoes. Width will absolutely determine length. It's tough for me to judge from those pictures, but a smaller width shoe might just push your foot back to the heel and make a shoe work beautifully.
     


  4. Cold Iron

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    Yes the premium polish has cream in it so would darken a bit faster than just wax. The suggestion to clean them first is to allow the wax or cream have a better "bite" or purchase into the leather. The Krause surface is smooth but the area in the end of the leather that holds the eyelets is exposed like end grain in wood. Mine are brighter raspberry color than the rest of the shoe along the end grain of the leather. That area and along the top of the boot which is exposed will likely absorb anything you use at a faster and at a different rate. But I think the look will be good when it is done. Good luck!

    A bit chubby but almost sleek compared to my Red Wing 9011 black cherry Beckman's. In comparison the Beckman's need to go on a diet. I didn't realize how sleek the Bayfield was until I compared it to the Krause and Beckman. But I like them all.

    Congrats on your new PA's!! I used Kiwi for 20 years in the Navy on boots and shoes and wore the boots in the bilges and main engineering spaces plus firefighting. I still have a pair that are now 30 years old and break them out when I use the chain saw because they have steel toes. There is nothing wrong with Kiwi. I do feel that AE and Saphir polish are a little easier to get the same shine with a bit less effort however. In the end I don't feel it really matters which one you use. I use all 3 based on what I have on hand, but am moving to Saphir as the others are used up. You should also pickup some cleaner\conditioner. AE has a good basic video that explains shoe care of different leathers and dress shoes. The PA are calf and is the first video.

    http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/ShoeCareView?catalogId=40000000001&langId=-1&storeId=1

    I do not. I do brush them (AE Katmai) well with a brass suede brush before treating them however. Eventually when the nap will not return or gets too dirty that I can't brush it out I will use suede cleaner to restore it but not until it is needed. I use Bickmore Gard-More for water, stain and dirt resistance and it has worked very well for me so far.
     


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    Exactly. I do prefer the Elgin slightly over the McTavish including the color and waxy finish. Here is a side by side shot when they were both fairly new and unmolested.



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  6. Winston S.

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    So English.


    How does it fit to you lengthwise? I can't really tell if the length and width is the issue or just the width.
     
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    I picked up a pair of these seconds as well. In general I'm pretty pleased. I sized down .5 and I think that provides the best fit I'll get from this last / shoe although I find it just a little tight on my small toe. Not as bad as the Malvern or San Marco though.
     


  8. bucksfan

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    The Jeffersonville Outlet politely requested I post the following information (apparently they are still being bombarded with requests for these boots!)

    They only have the black Wolverine Krause left, in the following sizes:

    8D
    9D
    13D

    [FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]At this point, they do not know if / when they will get any more. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Carry on! [/FONT]
     


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    I received size 13D walnut Sanfords in the mail yesterday. I'm glad the walnut is a little darker than I expected. They're a little less reddish than they appear in the pics. There is some creasing on the right side of the right shoe, visible in the second pic, but I don't think it's much an issue.

    Just wanted to get some opinions on sizing. I think I sized them correctly. My left foot is a little bigger and I can just fit my index finger behind the heel. No heel slippage when I walk. My left little toe is a little uncomfortable and rubs against the side. This is true in almost every shoe I wear at first so I hope these will break in to be more comfortable. Here's a pic of them laced up, does the width look alright?

    I thought about returning them, but they were $250 at Amazon and are a closeout style, so I think I'll keep them.


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  10. MoneyWellSpent

    MoneyWellSpent Senior member

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    They look great to me. I can't believe this is a close-out style. [​IMG]AE's website even says the following in their description of the shoe: "Believe it or not, once and a while even we make mistakes - like discontinuing this shoe after offering it for more than 15 years. But thanks to our loyal customers, who asked for its return more than any other shoe, we brought back this classic in 2010 and now it is more popular than ever. The high demand is no doubt a result of combining its more versitile blucher style with the business-ready brogue detail and a dressed up cap-toe." I guess history really does repeat itself! This is one of my favorite AE's and I had hoped that the shoes in the "Timeless Classics" collection were immune to being discontinued. I guess nothing is safe!
     
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    So, when are you getting your commission check from AE?
     


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    I may be one of the few...or perhaps one of the many... who think the Strand in walnut is just plain better looking than the Sanford. I don't know why, I just do. :satisfied:
     


  13. MoneyWellSpent

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    Nothing wrong with feeling that way. They definitely resemble each other in many ways (almost to the point that having both shoes in the same color would be a bit redundant). I think for alot of people it comes down to whether you are looking for a blucher or a balmoral. Also, since they are on different lasts, one may work better for some people than others. Therefore, they each have their niche. The Strand gets alot more attention in these forums without a question.
     


  14. GentlemanJohnny

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    First off, thanks Bucksfan for the sale notification...got 4 pairs of shoe trees for about the cost of 1 pair (plus some other stuff for my winter wardrobe).

    Second, based on the positive mentions from this thread I went ahead and contacted the Jeffersonville outlet and they said they'd be receiving a Krause boot in 7D in about a week...I know that size doesn't apply to most of you but it might also mean that they're getting other sizes, too. In case you were wondering.

    Also, they quoted me a very low price...I'll just say it was below $200...that's about half of what it seems to be going for new (http://wingtip.com/product/wolverine/krause-boot/37459)...I know they offer really good deals on seconds (based on what I inferred from this thread) but does that seem too low to some of you? Should I expect a bunch of blemishes or misplaced stitching? I know a lot of you guys purchased really good seconds from this venue so I'm hoping that this isn't too good to be true...

    ~Johnny
     


  15. bucksfan

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    Glad it worked out for you! The JAB shoe trees are the same as AE, Woodlore, Nordstrom, etc. and JAB puts them on sale the most of everywhere I think.

    Seconds are a crapshoot, quite honestly. You pay significantly less than full retail for first quality, and it seems a lot of the time, the "defects" are not noticeable at all. Seconds are simply shoes for which the manufacturer would not feel comfortable charging full retail price, due to any number of issues that might crop up in the raw materials or during the manufacturing process.

    Sometimes, the defects do not matter (see comments above about discoloration on the tongue of a boot, or small creases on the vamp, where the shoes will crease anyway). One of my pair of seconds for example has the insole upside down (in other words, no "Allen Edmonds" on it - just blank). By the same token, I have seen or tried on other seconds where the defect was quite noticeable, and prevented me from buying the shoes. It seems with the Wolverine boots, most were in pretty good shape, with a couple of them having problems too large to warrant purchasing, even at the discount. Good luck with yours and let us know how you fare!

    Good point - maybe I need to discuss that with them [​IMG]

    On a related point, I trust my comments and few "heads-up" posts on this thread haven't been an issue with anyone here; as I hope you can see, I am a fan of the brand and of my favorite SAs and outlet; and have no ulterior motive other than to support them.
     


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