A few posters have received theirs and I believe they went TTS and ordered same size as Park Avenue. I ordered the same size as my PA's, partially based on their experience, and my discussion with an AE rep that said the new Patriot last is "narrow, like the PA last, but with a roomier toe box". I debated about ordering a half size down to guard against heel slip but went TTS and should receive them next week. Either they will fit or I will have to exchange for a smaller size. If you can wait until then I plan to post some more detailed sizing thoughts as I have AE 1, 5, 8 lasted shoes, BB LHS and Alden Aberdeen slip-ons to compare with.