Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler! [=][/] Here they are. These actually fit better than the 8 last Clifton I own. So in the 8 and 5 last I wear an 8.5E in both but the fit is 5 balmoral>8 balmoral>8 blutcher. Next up for me is the Kenilworth in burnished brown. What should be my black shoe? I only wear a suit about 5-8 times/year, so something I can wear with a suit but mostly with business casual attire.