Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mild Mannered, Sep 27, 2009.
Post pics! I love the Rough Collection and love seeing pics.
anyone know how the 3-73 fits compared to the 5-65? I ask because I am considering getting a webgem Broadstreet but have no experience with how that line fits
For my foot, the 3 last (3-73) last is the strangest last AE makes. And one of my favorites is the 5 last (5-65). I take a 9D in the 5 last; in the 3 last I take a 10D.
Thanks for the kind words guys...it helps when you start out with quality materials. Shell is so easy to care for. It doesn't mirror shine like calf but its so easy to keep looking good.
You may want to be fitted by an expert. I can wear any AE shoe in my correct size and width and they all fit perfectly. You are not going to change a full size depending on the last. Go to a real AE store and stop trying to measure your foot from some paper foot measurer or buying shoes by mail. You need to be measured and then try on various sizes and widths until you find one that fits best. And try to remember that just because you like a certain model it doesn't mean that model suits your foot. Buy another model.
My original response was merely to pass along my experience with the 3 last.
But your response to my response? ..... interesting ...... where do I start in responding to such curious condescension.
First, I have been to a real AE store, and have been fitted, and I do not measure my foot with a paper measurer (whatever that is?). Second, any suggestion that one person necessarily wears the same size in every AE last is, in a word, folly (and any serious shoe buyer know this). Does it happen for some? Sure. Does it happen for all? Not even close. Third, thru the years, I have owned over 20 AE models in virtually every last AE makes. Fourth, my dress shoe collection stands over 60 pairs with AE being in the lowest tier.
It wasn't all directed towards you and just some advice for the novices so that they could avoid a lot of aggravation and foot pain. I've been wearing AE for 40 years and pretty much know their styles and lasts. I don'twant to get into a discussion here on lasts but there is entirely too much talk on here about them when the person doesn't even know their right size or width first.
I own seven pairs of AE, mainly #5 last. I've been fitted for the hand sewn 800, 1-511, 2-222, and the 7-97. Curiously I take different sizes depending on the last. All but one pair were purchased at the AE store. My fittings were performed by the manager who started at the factory in Port Wisconsin. So, I would agree that going in store is desirable. The AE store will also order and hold shoes in specific sizes for you to try on. One or two at first, more once you develop a working relationship.
Aside from that, I have used the AE fit guide (available for download on their website). The measurements are accurate. Unfortunately, your fit guide measurement does not translate directly to shoe size (though it's a good place to start). And lasts such as the 2-222 & 3-333 are just odd.
If you take the same size in most or all the lasts, then that just means your foot shape is very close the model the lasts are based around.
Also, remember that not everyone has access to an AE store and retailers like Nordstrom stock limited sizes. My closest AE store is 275 miles away.
Gentlemen, wear them in good health. And post some photos.
Appreciate the info. That's really disappointing. Made in the U.S. was really the only reason I was buying AE's over something from say, Italy or Spain.
I'm aware that not everyone is near an AE store and that the dept store doesn't always carry all widths which was really my point and why so many people here can't seem to get the right fit.
You can't measure yourself on one of those paper guides because there's no way to measure the arch which is as important as the overall length,
If you measure a 10 overall but the arch measures an 11 then you're an 11 then determine the width based on an 11.
On the other hand, if you measure a 10 overall but your arch is only a 9 then you still need the 10 but an elongated last will feel better for you.
Of course it's better to just try on the shoes but al least if you can get an accurate size from the Brannock the shoe should at least fit without being off a size.
Most of the problems on here have nothing to do with last and are all size and width problems.
Many people also don't know how a shoe should fit even after trying it on in the store where it feels ok to them only to find it's tight or rubs after wearing it.
Only a handful are made in the DR and they specify which ones are.
No they dont.
Edit- The ones labeled made in USA have imported uppers.
Edit 2- The ones labeled made in DR are made in the DR.
^^^ I agree with this part. But I can't recall anyone ever measuring my arch. Nor have I seen any posts describing the measurement of the arch in reference to determining the shoe size. Do you have a reference for this?
Otherwise, I will re-iterate that the AE fit guide download is a useful tool for finding a starting point. And it's better than say basing your size off your Nike running shoes.
After that the last and leather can make a difference but not in all cases. The 2-222 & 3-333 lasts are good examples. Also, I have found that the waxy leathers run large, and I have to adjust the size accordingly.
Anyhow, sizing is always going to be an issue for new owners until they get some experience with the brand.
I see now how the Brannock incorporates arch length.
AE like all shoe companies sources its leather from all over whether Horween or from other locations around the world. It wouldn't make any sense or would there be any economic advantage to make part of a shoe in the DR and then ship the unfinished shoes to Wisconsin to be completed. Too much confusion keeping track of all the components and also the costs involved. Now personally I don't even think it matters where a product is made as long as it's made by the same standards because there are skilled craftsmen in every country, but these shoes are made in the US.
I have two pair of AE, walnut Strand and brown burnished calf Fifth Avenue.
I'm looking to buy versatile loafers. What do you recommend?
I think the chili grain calf Randolph looks good.
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