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Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread - reviews, pictures, sizing, etc...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mild Mannered, Sep 27, 2009.

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  1. P12OFIT

    P12OFIT Senior member

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    Don't take this the wrong way but what blows my mind is that this thread is the Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread and people continue to pollute it with off topic posting. If someone really feels the need to post incessantly about their opinion of the quality of AE shoes then there is a really neat feature on Styleforum that allows a user to create their own thread. I only own two pairs of AE shoes but I enjoy browsing this thread for what it was meant for. I am not an AE fanboy by any means, but after a while you get sick of scrolling through the... crap.

    At the end of the day we live in a capitalist society. If you don't like AE shoes or you think that they are overpriced for the quality you as the consumer are getting, don't buy their shoes. It really is that simple.
     
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  2. peppercorn78

    peppercorn78 Senior member

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    It is a common phenomenon as old as Internet message boards (like Usenet, etc): people feel compelled to demonstrate anonymously that they "know better" than you, and you should feel silly for not being as sophisticated as they.

    Happens all the time, everywhere, regarding every topic.

    Meanwhile, please enjoy my small family of PTBs. As you see here, Carmina and Allen Edmonds can exist side by side in peace and harmony.

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  3. jcman311

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    Looks nice.

    Went and saw the first ave in person yesterday and I think its my next. Probably the walnut one.
     
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  4. yanagi

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    I have to point out one irony here. One of AE's strengths is customer service. If I google "Allen Edmonds" "Customer Service," I can find thread after thread from different fora - here, AAAC, blogs, Youtube, Reddit - praising AE's customer service. And yet, when someone here is talking about buying AE shoes (hardly off topic) at full retail but is unsure of whether he's getting his money's worth, he's basically told to fuck off. Sure, the people saying that aren't AE employees, but it feels like when they have issues, they go to AE to get it right; when others have issues, love 'em or leave 'em. Really?

    I didn't come here to complain about AE. I said repeatedly that I agree about the value proposition. I said I am a happy owner of two pairs that I wear to work 3 times a week. My black PAs were my first nice, real dress shoes, and I'll never forget thinking "wow" when I pulled them out of the box and out of the cloth bag. But because I said a guy buying firsts has some right to complain (within reason), everything positive I said about AE is ignored, and I'm told to fuck off as if I'm saying AE sucks. Obviously I'll push back in that case.

    Doesn't mean I don't appreciate my AEs.

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  5. peppercorn78

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    I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but since you quoted me, I'll clarify that I wasn't referring to you. I hope you didn't take my post personally. I was just trying to say that the contretemps this weekend was nothing new and we should all just move on. Most of us know what we are buying when we get AEs. After 24 pairs (now down to to 16), I know I sure do.
     
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    Saw a pair of Hopkinson (the Park Aves on the new 201 last) in store today. It's the left one and on the right in the Park Ave for comparison. Take a look! [​IMG]
     
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    It's still around 100 here, so I am wearing (unlined) tan suede Strandmoks today. I turned my right foot sideways when taking the picture, showing that the Strandmoks have a rubber heel stack (as heel stacks seem to be a popular subject here recently) as well as showing that when I had the Strandmoks reheeled the shoemaker didn't have exactly the same shade of rubber heels, which was fine with me as, in most cases, the only creatures on Earth who would notice this are probably bugs.......

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    ...and for fans of pictures of Allen-Edmonds shoes in the wild, it was over 100 last week when I went to Santa Barbara, so here's a picture wearing the tan suede Strandmoks enroute to Santa Barbara.

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  8. harlequin782

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    I'm in the same boat as you...I can't stand when you try to have an objective civilized discussion, involving constructive criticism, and people retort with some ignorant-asshole, personal attack type comment, or snide comment, just because they disagree, or don't want to hear what you're saying...hell, I made it be known months ago that I thought this thread has become clogged with questions about flaws on second hand shoes that have been purchased for $10.00 off EBay or Burlington CF or Marshalls or wherever. But I wouldn't personally insult those people...I just ignore the posts I don't want to read and move on now. But to be clear, I'm not even bitching about flaws...Flaws and mistakes on second hand/reject shoes are one thing...routinely cutting corners across the board as a part of your accepted manufacturing process on firsts, to the detriment to the quality of the final product, all while raising retail prices every year and a half is something different entirely, in my book. But I'm assuming the cheaper leathers and cardboard heels are par for the course for a shoemaker at this price point according to Moneywellspent (I believe that was his name)...and I'm far from an AE hater, so that's actually good to hear, I guess
     
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  9. Kahuna75

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    I have a boatload of AE and the first time I heard the leathers were cut and initial stitching was done in the DR I was pissed. I came to AE as I wanted USA production. Got over it when I discovered the MTO and shell were all done stateside, think I have 7 or 8 MTOs.

    Also was disappointed about the heel issue....of course I have no idea if Alden does the same or Viberg or Vass for that matter but I assumed it was stacked leather. I am yet to have a heel issue with any that I wear so perhaps it is a non issue.

    Personally there are a few of my MTO boots that I would not trade for anything that I have seen by any maker under 1000 bucks. When AE is on the game from a quality standpoint they are unbeatable in value.
     
  10. shoenoobie

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    Just went with another round of buying spree of AE shoes. Almost done building my own AE collection, just waiting for Black & Walnut Park Avenues. As a college senior, building a collection for post-graduation employment. Total of around 50 pairs of loafers and oxfords. And yes I rock them to lectures.


    Current AE Line Up (12 pairs):

    Carlyle (Walnut) | Strand (Walnut) | Strand (Bourbon) | McAllister (Walnut) | Fifth Avenue (Walnut) | 6th Avenue (Brown) | McGregor (Navy Suede) | Ascher (Walnut) | Ascher (Bourbon) | Cavanaugh (Walnut) | Cavanaugh (Choco Suede) | Bar Harbor (Brown - Beater shoe..)


    Pics coming once I receive a few more and get a few others from my cobbler. If I wanted more loafers... Looking at the stone suede and navy suede of the Cavanaugh. Fits me very well and them suede models look very sexy.

    Regarding this conversation with quality... My honest opinion is that even the first quality pairs are not "flawless" in quality. Even I think that fashion brands have better physically appearing build quality - stitching, centering, etc. But I feel like the imperfections of AE can even be quite deliberate, to make it more like old school hand made shoes. I personally don't buy AE for "best" craftmanship.. I mean you wear that once and you get scuffs and scratches and cracking. I think it should be all about the design + color, quality of input materials, and overall comfort of the shoes. Quite hard to beat AE in the comfort department.

    With that said, haha peeps stop hating on Cole Haans... I think they are the best combo of design for classics + forward, all at the right price under $100~$150. Yes, their leather sucks bad.
     
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    This, so much this. That's why I think that the real question is whether AE is honest about what they say about the quality of their footwear, not whether they do this or that specific thing. And (unfortunately) goodyear welted generally is seen as "handmade" by "everyone". I think it would be very hard for AE to not be on that bandwagon if they want to keep selling shoes. Obviously their marketing will sell you "tradition" and "Made in USA" and "craftsmanship". That's about the only thing (except for image and name) that sells higher cost stuff to a broader audience nowadays, where everyone just wants cheap, cheap, cheap.

    I for one APPRECIATE Allen Edmonds for their EEE shoes, when not many other people will even offer those online, AE even puts them in brick and mortar stores. Arguably not in Canada (unfortunately), but since they don't have their own stores here, we're at the mercy of local chains.

    I APPRECIATE Allen Edmonds for having a Shoebank, where they sell 2nds. Many other big brands have "Outlet stores" that sell stuff cheaper but they don't tell you that it's 2nds or that they actually make runs with lower quality materials just for the outlets.
     
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    I also appreciate their *actual* outlet stores. So-called "outlet malls" may have actually sold previous-season or second-quality merchandise at one time, but not since I've known about them. All the outlet malls I've been to have stores with deliberately-produced crap-quality items playing off the reputation of the regular brand: Brooks Brothers, J.Crew, GAP, etc. Which other brands/manufacturers even have outlet stores that sell actual second-quality merchandise rather than deliberately-produced low-quality stuff?
     
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    The indy line looks great. How is the leather and overall quality of these compare to the park avenue?
     
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    You do get other brands in similar price range that use better materials in their shoe construction. I have magnanni that offers stacked leather heels, decent leather quality and outsole for around $325, you do find other brands in this price range using better materials.
     
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  15. Kahuna75

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    I guess you have to produce a lot of poorly crafted items to have such succesful seconds stores....not sure that is a brag about item. That being said I love the seconds I have :)
     
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    In fairness, AE operates, I think, 9 outlet stores across the USA. Compare that to how many stockists AE has - perhaps in close to 1,000? My point is that AE seconds are probably not quite so ubiquitous as those of us in this thread might think. Or maybe I'm just uninformed.

    Also, I know some in this thread have major complaints about AE's quality, but I'm not one of them. I have purchased 9 pairs of seconds, and every time I'm hard-pressed to find the flaw that made them seconds.

    But my major point in the post you quoted was that AE's outlets are an actual source of bargains (i.e., "buy the real thing at a fraction of the price"), whereas every other so-called "outlet" simply sells purpose-made low-quality items that offer no extra value compared to their mainline store. This also begs the question: what do all these other retailers do with their second-quality merchandise? Is the proportion of second-quality production really so low that they don't have a systematic way of getting rid of it?
     
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    what's funny is that I think the park aves look better than the indy version lol
     
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    Just for perspective, AE makes around/over 2500 shoes per day.
     
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    Is that really true? How many shoes do they produce yearly. That is mass production at its best.
     
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    On the Hopkinson... I don't understand why the tongue stitch at the base of the throat is so wide in comparison to most (including AE) oxford laced shoes.

    It's nearly as wide as the eyelets, and draws attention to itself.
     
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