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Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread - reviews, pictures, sizing, etc...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mild Mannered, Sep 27, 2009.

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  1. Cold Iron

    Cold Iron Well-Known Member

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    Well I received my replacement Bradley's last night, the first order was placed Dec. 22. The right shoe bows (flares) slightly but I could live with it if I had to. On my walnut shell Strands which I am wearing today the right shoe has a little bit of bowing to it. The left shoe of the Bradley replacement however bows even more than the original pair did. [​IMG]

    Just got a shipping label emailed to me to return to them. Hope it doesn't take another 3 months for the next pair but starting to wonder about the current run and it is tempting to give up on the Bradley's altogether. But I really do like the shoe itself.
     
  2. iloveshoes

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    For noobies like me would you explain what bowing is? I just ordered a pair of seconds on sale from AE's sale yesterday of the Walnut Shell Strands w/ trees. This was an impulse buy so I have no problem returning them if the defect is too much. I originally went for them in brown shell but they had sold out in my size.

    I was very pleased with my first dealing with the shoe bank on their 2 for $200 sale. The strawfuts I got were firsts and the players in white suede only had one tiny tiny mark on the suede where no one would even see it so did not bother me. Although I have not ordered Shells for seconds before. Does anyone find that the defects are bigger in comparison to non shell models?

    Thanks
     
  3. Cold Iron

    Cold Iron Well-Known Member

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    Edit: Took a picture with my cell phone, not the best but can get the general idea.

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    There were some pictures earlier in this thread but looks like the link to the pictures is dead now. Some people call it flaring, AE uses the term bowing. It is at the topline of the shoe where you insert your foot is way too loose. It is due to the construction which AE uses which is unique. I haven't had an issue with it until I ordered the Bradley's and don't think it is common but wouldn't say it is rare either. The CEO (Paul) of AE was gracious enough to respond inline on a thread where I posted about it on AAAC. There is still a manufacturing issue which is not addressed however. But what I really like about his reply is that it explains why you MUST use shoe trees with AE shoes.
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    Greetings -

    Sorry, I've been on-the-road a great deal lately and have fallen behind on correspondence. I meant to reply to this thread a couple weeks ago but it slipped through the cracks.

    Bulging toplines like in the picture could be caused by two things -- 1) not enough time on the last in production so that the toplines don't take the form as well as they should, or 2) too much time in the box on a shelf or, after purchase, in the closet without shoe trees in the shoes. As you probably know, we put a "heel counter" between the lining and the external calfskin of our dress shoes to protect the shape of the heel. We also put what's called a box-toe in front to keep the toe firm and to hold the shape.

    There isn't anything stiff on the sides of the shoes, however, for comfort reasons, so the only thing to hold the shape around the ankle over the long term is the cord-like binding that we sew around the topline. We extended the time we leave shoes on the last 3 years ago, just for this very issue. However, if the shoes get jossled around in transport and then sit awkwardly for months on a shelf in inventory, the shape can get compromised. As you wear them, the shoes also take the shape of your foot and walking, by nature, makes the toplines bulge out as the foot flexes. If the shoes are not a great fit, the bulging as you walk can be exacerbated. Shoe-trees and a couple of days rest in a shoe rotation, can help return the toplines to the tightened look.

    Toplines do get tightened somewhat in the Recrafting process. Putting good shoe trees in the shoes and leaving them there is an at-home step that should help. Polishing the shoes with the shoe trees inside and then leaving them to "settle" could be enhance the rebound.

    Some of the shoes bought in outlets stores or on e-Bay preceed me in this job. As I've mentioned in other posts, we take quality assurance extremely seriously at AE and have done a number of things over the past 3 years to take it to a higher level, including extending the time that shoes stay on the last in production. The results are evident in our quality control scores internally, and at our most demanding major wholesale customer, Nordstrom. Our scores in the Nordstrom Quality Center are the best they've ever been now and are at levels that they say are unheard of for shoes. We're proud of that, but we remain relentless in our pursuit of perfection.

    Thanks for your interest and thanks for your support of Allen Edmonds!

    Best wishes,
    Paul
     
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    I noticed this on my Malverns earlier today:
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    These are seconds and according to AE's website, the boots have titan rubber soles. I've had them for just under a month (ordered them exactly a month ago today when they had the 2-for-$200 sale), and worn them somewhere between 6-10 times. Is this normal or should I be concerned?
     
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    Hey quick question for you guys. Was just at the AE tent sale this weekend and picked up what I thought was a misplaced pair of walnut 5th Avenue 2nds for 129. So naturally, at first, thought i got a steal. In reality they were Nathans. Is there any real difference between 5th Aves and Nathans? Or are they essentially the same shoe (with the Nathans made specifically for Jos. A Bank)?
     
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    thanks:)
     
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    I just returned a pair of Townleys too, they were a little small. Mine had the same bowing problem, will be interested to see if the next pair are any better.
     
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    same shoe design on different lasts. Fifth Avenues are 5 last, Nathans are 8 last
     
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    So anyone pick up some shoes from the tent sale? How are AE seconds like? Anything to worry about?
     
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    And has anyone laid hands on the Sedona?
     
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    Does this happen when you are sitting, or do you only see it when standing; i.e.: when putting pressure on the footbed? I have not noticed this on my shoes, but I have particularly bony ankles, so I probably wouldn't. Although I do recall trying on a pair of shell strands in a store that felt a little loose around the ankles; I wonder if this was the issue.
     
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    I have only seen bowing when standing.
     
  15. goldenboy16

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    what is the general consensus about the player's shoes in walnut color? i was originally looking at the strands and mcallisters for a brown dress shoe. how does it compare? its on sale at nordstroms right now for $220
     
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    Player's walnut is awesome. It's on a very narrow last, though, so you need to be sure it fits.
     
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    is there a difference in "appropriateness" of oxfords vs blutchers? i.e. is one more casual than the other, how do they play in for formal wear/office wear? i personally like the deeper color of the mcallisters or strands (not burnished walnut, just walnut).
     
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  18. kmdsimpson

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    Ah, sorry, I missed your comment about needing a dress shoe.

    General guidelines are that oxford is more formal than blucher. Also, a darker color would be considered dressier than walnut. I'd say the Player is perhaps a little too casual for dress wear, especially if you're looking at the McAllister and Strand in brown, instead of walnut; though even in walnut they look dressier to me than the Player.
     
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  19. goldenboy16

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    thanks for the input. this is what i thinking too. i'll probably wait for the next sale to get my AE's.
     
  20. Cold Iron

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    That picture was taken when sitting. When standing\walking they bow even worse when the shoe flexes. I have just over 20 pairs of AE shoes & boots and the Bradley's are the first time I have experienced the bowing issue to this extent. It isn't restricted to shell, it happens in calf also and someone on here went through several pair of Strands and they all bowed so he gave up. I think it is isolated to certain production runs and sizes when it occurs. Some people it doesn't seem to bother and that is the bottom line IMO. It does bother me when walking and the cuff exposes the shoe it catches my eye and is a distraction.
     
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