Another note...it's amazing how different cordovan shoes look after a little care. i got my black Leeds last night. Out of the box they looked like junk. Within the hour I had them looking like shoes befitting their price tag. I think AE would do better with their cordovan sales if they didn't let every cordovan shoe on the shelf look like a dried out piece of beef jerky. My Leeds now bring back memories of dad's USAF dress attire.