Keeping in mind that the seconds may be of "lesser" quality than firsts? Now that I'm thinking about it further, I have another observation/question. With shell shoes, it's much more common for them to have quite the shine to them if properly taken care of, whereas calf shoes generally don't have a similar shine to them unless the person so desires. I'm curious as to how SFers feel about wearing shell in a more casual environment such as with jeans and chinos. My office is pretty much standard business-casual, and there are times where I feel my cambridges are actually too "formal" (I know there are different schools of thought regarding how formal wingtips are) for my pair of chinos or khakis. Believe it or not, there have been times where I've wished I had a pair of Mcallisters in the new dark burgundy because I feel those would be more appropriate compared to the Cambridges. Do any of you feel this way? Does what I'm saying even make sense? I don't want to pick up a pair of shell patriots and feel like they don't "go" with as much as I'd like. I want to wear them in as many environments as possible.