Saunder is narrow as. I wear 8 eee in all 5 lasted ae( a bit loose - better fit is 8 ee - but hard to get hold of ee) . I have saunder in 8.5 d. They were long as and narrow like a mfoo. I had to rip the sock lner and stretch them for months and they are barely wearable. 8.5 D felt like 9 B. Now slaton is a bit more forgiving. I have them in 8.5D again had to rip sock liner and stretch them. Slaton feels a bit shorter than saunder or Sanderson and a bit tigher around the vamp.. I think I can wear a 9D in Slaton . Sanderson is also really narrow but supports higher instep.. I have them in 8D feels like 8 B. I have ordered Illford in 8.5E hopefully they are wide enough. yeah dalton toe box super soft. I can press the toe box all the way down with very light pressure. I don't care about the creasing either. I think its a manufacturing fault. I tried to use a pen on the vamp and tired to make deliberate creasing on the vamp. But the toe box being too soft as soon as i bent the shoe it creates creasing on the wing. Sing for dalton is quite odd. I am 8 eee in strand , fift ave, players ...and most ae. I went up 9 d on dalton adn it fits goo. I still felt the toe box is a bit narrower than my 8eee strand. And my fift st boot in 8.5d winch is longer than the 9 d daltons.