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Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread - reviews, pictures, sizing, etc...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mild Mannered, Sep 27, 2009.

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  1. MoneyWellSpent

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    Those aren't C&J. Peal & Co. shoes are made by several manufacturers. Formerly they were made by both C&J and Alfred Sargent, distinguished by the rows of nails in the heel (C&J having one row, Alfred Sargent having two rows). I haven't seen an Alfred Sargent made Peal shoe in a while, so I don't know if they still use them or not. These suede boots are almost certainly Loake, who also makes shoes for branding with the Peal name. Brooks Brothers uses Loake to make the lower end, more cost effective models.
     
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    Not entirely. My shell Leeds (and possibly my shell Daltons) do not have the stamp under the sole, while the MTO MacNeils I got earlier this year do. Same with the bags in which they came -- only the MacNeils' shoe bags have a Horween logo on 'em. I think WICaniac is correct in his assessment that the Park Avenue seconds predate stamp application to the sole.
     
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    Newer JR soles do have a Horween stamp on them as well (see Tifosi's pictures of his MTO's above). That's just something they added more recently. It has nothing to do with the authenticity of your cordovan shoes. Besides, it is right at the ball of the foot, where it will wear off in no time anyway.
     
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    My new pair of Rutledge AE's
     
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    I stand corrected! I never even realized that my last pair of AE shells had the Horween stamp. As MWS noted, it disappears after a few wears anyway.

    I had even taken a picture of the sole before, haha. Guess I shouldn't comment on stuff I don't really know about. :p
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    Ahh, but it gave you an excellent excuse to post those gorgeous shoes again. :slayer:
     
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    J&R soles of my AE and Alden cordovans do feature the Horween stamp on the bottom.
     
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    I think these days JR soles have the Horween stamp by default. I saw a pair of suede MacNeils made for the Freedman Sporting Club, and the soles did have a Horween stamp on them, which was absurd.
     
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    Sorry last post got messed up. These are my new Rutledge AE's

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    Yup, saw this on Ebay.

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    +1 I ordered a pair of white McNeils from Freemans because the sole had the Horween stamp. I knew they couldn't be shell, but I got them on sale and I gave it a shot. Obviously I got them and found them to be calf. I returned them and had a couple emails back and forth explaining to Freemans why their shoes show conflicting information. About 30 min. later, there was a disclaimer on the site saying although the sole bears the "Horween Cordovan" stamp the uppers are not made of shell cordovan.
     
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    looking great!
     
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    I was able to cancel the order before shipping them. I'll hold out for something that I know is of better construction quality.

    Also, the sole edge was a bit darker than I'd like on a sand colored shoe.
     
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    Gorgeous shoes. I will have a pair of these one day.

    Side note: looks like you have the same vertical shoelace bow I mentioned a few weeks back.
     
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    Looks like the laces cross the wrong way on the first knot. My wife does this. Drives me nuts! haha
     
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    ^^ Haha. My wife is a righty. If I say anything she makes me re-tie her shoes so I just live with it! LOL
     
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    Happy 2013 - year and pages of thread. This is an active group.
     
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    The reason for this is because the JR soles are only offered as standard issue on cordovan shoes by Allen Edmonds. AE orders the soles pre-fabricated from JR with this stamp on them. JR soles don't automatically have this stamp, AE has to request it as part of their order from JR. There are other shoe manufacturers, cobblers, and shoe repair shops that offer JR soles as standard options. You won't find the Horween stamp on those.

    When you order a shoe from AE with JR soles, they are borrowing parts from the cordovan shoe department, so to speak.

    I agree that it creates needless confusion for some people, and it would be better if AE would order a supply of soles without the stamp.
     
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