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Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread - reviews, pictures, sizing, etc...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mild Mannered, Sep 27, 2009.

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  1. PhiPsi32

    PhiPsi32 Senior member

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    Ah, I see. I'll be trying on the Players Shoe next weekend. I'm preparing myself to be frustrated by the narrow toe box. Sizing is limited which makes it more complicated. My only suggestion would be to try the 12B or 11.5E.

    When you say the 11.5D is tight, do you mean tight all over? Or just tight in the toe box? Are your toes touching the front of the shoe? etc.
     
  2. YagiSka

    YagiSka New Member

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    This may not be the appropriate place, but I figured this thread would definitely be the group who would know. I recently, upon the recommendations of this forum, purchased two pair of AE Park Aves, one in black and one in merlot. I'm in the slow process of building a young(ish) professional wardrobe, and these are my first pair of real dress shoes.

    I went to my local AE store and was sized. We initially arrived at a 10.5C, but that felt just a little loose and I was concerned about leather stretching. We then tried a 10.5B which seemed to fit like a glove in the store (black). I've only worn the merlot pair out once since purchasing, and for a few hours around the house. After a day of wearing them, my feet hurt so bad, especially my pinky toes, that I could barely walk. Now, I notice an uncomfortable pressure on the outside ball of my foot and my pinky toe as soon as I put the shoes on. I've noticed a slight difference in where the pressure is between each pair, but neither is comfortable.

    I contacted the AE store, and they assured me that this was normal. However, they offered, if I would wear them around the house a few more evenings, to first attempt to stretch the shoes, and then exchange them if I am not happy. Basically, I'm hoping if someone can give me an tips for how they should feel. Is it normal for them to be this uncomfortable while breaking them in? If I put them on and then sit in a chair, I am definitely aware of pressure on my feet. I'm really like a lot of AE shoes and am more than willing to go through the discomfort of breaking them in, but if this is not normal and indicates the wrong size, I'd rather get them exchanged sooner rather than later.
     
  3. ElDave

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    I've had some discomfort breaking in shoes, but I'd never say I could "barely walk." Maybe take them up on it if you feel like, but pain like that says "wrong size" to me.
     
  4. PhiPsi32

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    During my various fittings at Nordstrom and the AE store, I had to learn a way of describing the fit of the shoes. For example, to assess girth, I look at how much take up I have in the laces. If I have to cinch the laces all the way to get a snug fit, the shoe probably has too much girth. Conversely, if I have to let the laces out all the way to put the shoe on and I can only cinch the laces a little bit before it becomes tight, then the shoe is probably too small/narrow. Of course these are at the opposite extremes. Ideally, I'd like to be somewhere in the middle.

    For length, I try to land the ball of my foot at the widest part of the shoe. If your small toes are hitting the edge of the shoe, this may not be a width problem. It may be a length issue. So it's good to know how much space you have between the front of your toes and end of the shoe as well as the top of your toes and the roof of the shoe.

    I look at length & girth first, and then use that zero in on width. As long as the toe box is comfy and the heel is snug, then the width is good. One other helpful observation is creasing in the instep. In shoes that are too wide for my feet, I've noticed that the instep creases significantly when I put weight on my foot. A small crease seems to be OK, but a deep crease or multiple small creases probably means the shoe is too wide.

    Anyhow, I wish everyone the best of luck finding a good fit in their AE shoe of choice. If you have fit questions, the more details you can provide, the easier it will be to offer suggestions.
     
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  5. pnin22

    pnin22 Senior member

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    Folks, I have a question concerning the fit of my AE Danbury's (5 last). These are my first pair of balmorals, these sized 7.5D, and I'm wondering if the spreading of the quarters due to my high instep is acceptable in the pics below. The shoes feel very good in the heel and ball, snug but not tight, but I'm wondering if this looks bad and if I can expect any problems long term. I haven't broken in the shoes yet, just walked on carpet without flexing the front. PS: I'm aware of the various posts on this subject elsewhere on styleforum (which are overall inconclusive).

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  6. PhiPsi32

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    As far as I can tell, a little bit of spreading/bowing is OK. But I am new AE owner. Someone with more mileage on their shoes may have a different opinion.
     
  7. plei89

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    They had a 2 for $300 sale about 3 months ago I think. I'm so angry I didn't get a chance to pick some strands up. Waiting for the next sale...
     
  8. g.michael

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    you should think about trying 11B--width should be between a 10.5 B/C and a little longer
     
  9. kmdsimpson

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    There's no way it is "normal" to be experiencing this amount of pain to break in a pair of shoes. Either these shoes were not fitted right, or the last just does not fit your foot. They sound too small for you. New shoes may be a little stiff at first; what you describe is an ill fitting pair, not break in process.
     
  10. Cold Iron

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    Last week I finally received my shell Bradley's and despite the fact they are on the same last as most of my other 10 pair of AE shoes they are worse than yours. I have almost no arch and a low volume foot, but do wear orthotics. Friday I called the AE store a couple of hours away to order in a pair of 5th Street in my size to try and mentioned the fit of the Bradley's to the salesperson on the phone. She knew exactly what I was talking about and said it is called bowing and it is caused by too much volume in the shoe and can be fixed most of the time by taking up the extra space. When I go to the store next week I will take my Bradley's and see what she can do as long as she offered. In the mean time I have played around with the lacing and although like you prefer the bar lacing, by doing cross lacing instead I can bring it in to where it almost looks like yours. But still bothers me based on looks alone. Will post what happens after I make the trip there later next week.

    I put up a photo couple of days ago for someone that wanted to compare the shell Bradley's to an older pair of shell Leeds. The Bradley's on the left have less than 3 hours wear on them and you can see the bowing even with trees in them. Was in a hurry when I took the picture so didn't clean up the lacing but you should be able to get an idea of how bad it is.
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  11. patrick_b

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    Here are some updated Kenilworth pics.

    This was the original shine, before they were even worn outside:

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    These were taken today after I wore them to church this AM. They've probably averaged 1-2 wears/week since I purchased them in late Sept. After the original shine, I've brushed regularly and applied Renovateur a couple of times. I don't think I've added any additional wax since the initial shine.

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  12. easy_golfing

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    I was at the AE store yesterday and have a question:
    Have you guys found the Strand and the Kenliworth fit differently? I didn't get a chance to try the Kenliworth on, and I know they are on the same last, but the sales rep said they will fit differently because of the difference in number of eyelets.

    Also, I'm seeing that there are only a few sizes for the Walnut shell Strands online. Are they discontinuing them?
     
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    They will certainly fit differently, primarily because the Kenilworth is a blucher while the Strand is a balmoral. That's probably more of a factor than the number of eyelets. Not sure about future plans for the Strand but if what you see here at SF is any indication, it's a fairly good seller.
     
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  14. acousticfoodie

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    The fit will certainly feel different, with the blucher kenilworth feeling "looser" than the strand...but does this mean one gets different sizes of shoe based on blucher and balamoral even if on the same lasts like the strand vs kenilworth?
     
  15. sns23

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    I wear an 8.5D in the strand and found that an 8E in the Kenilworth fit best
     
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    That's a great question. For me, I found that the strand in my measured/brannock size of 11D didn't fit at all. Same goes for the Park Ave. However, an 11D in the Kenilworth fits wonderfully. This is because I have a high instep, which creates more volume so some narrow shoes/lasts don't fit well. However, the blucher lacing pattern gives me the additional needed volume right were I need it, at the instep.

    For years, I thought I had wide feet but time after time, the brannock measures me at a solid D. I was getting fitted for hiking boots of all things when the fitter recommended a higher volume boot mfr.

    So now I find that bluchers are often a better fit for me, especially in the narrower lasts. So to answer your question, like most things concerning fit...it depends :).
     
  17. acousticfoodie

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    Hmm...I have that problem too I think. I have the strands in 9E which fit great, but my kenilworths in 9E seem a little loose and longer length wise (because the blucher lacing system "gives away" more due to more spacing between the flaps vs a balamoral). I correct this by adjusting my laces on my kenilworth so the flaps are closer together as if it was a balamoral...was this the correct thing to do tho? Is the correct way to adjust a blucher for fit tho? Or should I have gone for an 8.5E (I can still return them)?
     
  18. patrick_b

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    Many folks have slightly different size feet and make small lacing adjustments to each shoe. What you are doing is relatively common. You'll have to make the call however as changing the tension on laces can't make up for an ill-fitting shoe.

    As I've said before, I have never been able to make a too-small shoe work. I always end up getting rid of them in the end. If I'm between sizes, I always opt for the larger size and adjust fit with an insole, thicker socks or heel/tongue pads.
     
  19. OmniscientCause

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    Yea stupid me wasn't thinking...so I could have bought strands and something else for less than the original price of strands? FML
     
  20. acousticfoodie

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    So would people in general say that a good fitting 5-6 eyelet balamor will always feel more snug vs a good fitting 3 eyelet blucher just due to the nature of less eyelets and flap styles?
     
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