Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread - reviews, pictures, sizing, etc...

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  1. ColtSAA45

    ColtSAA45 Member

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    Paul,

    In my opinion, Allen Edmonds represents the finest value in high end men's shoes on the market today. I have just purchased a pair of Regent wing tips during the current sale for $167 and this is an incredible price. I now own over 10 pairs of AE and am building up quite a collection. I won't even look at other brands like Cole-Haan that have gone over seas. Not only are your shoes great looking, but I feel good knowing that I am helping in a small way to employ Americans in an industry that had almost died out in this country. Thank you

    Charles
     


  2. hohneokc

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    The only one I can help with is that 5904 is the model number and 4 at the end of the model number indicates it is on the 4 last. Chris
     


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    I have many pairs of Allen Edmonds shoes (and some Bourbon Strands on the way as a matter of fact). My Dad introduced me to AE and I introduced my son to AE. Allen Edmonds has it roots here in the USA and they still have a big presence in the USA - if you read the book on the history of Allen Edmonds I think you will get a better feel for this. They are even selling shoes in China that are made in the USA - a new twist on world matters I am glad to see. I don't care if 100% of everythinng they produce is made in the USA, I know a vast majority of what they do is here in the USA and they provide many jobs (production, marketing, sales, support, etc.) here in the USA. I appreciate that.

    I know not all Ford and Chevrolet cars are 100% made in the USA, but I don't think many would disagree that these are Amercian car companies.

    I consider Allen Edmonds an American shoe company and I will continue to support them with my purchases. I feel good knowing my purchases are supporting a lot of jobs all across this country (as well as some other countries).

    Thank you Paul for participating in this forum.

    Chris
     


  4. phototristan

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    I'm reading a ton of rhetoric in your post with very little addressing of the point of: why do you talk so much about your USA plant all over your website, yet so little about your DR plant on your website/blogs? Especially if the DR plant is something you are proud of?

    I even looked through all of your press releases going back to 2003 here: http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/PressReleasesView?langId=-1&storeId=1&catalogId=40000000001

    I see zero mention of your Dominican Republic plant at all. You didn't even do a press release for it's opening in 2007...
     
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  5. polojock615

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    OK, so that's twice you make inflammatory remarks about AE in an appreciation forum. Paul was kind enough to respond to you, and you repay that with calling it "rhetoric"? Even if you don't agree with his points, you should still be polite, as he was to you. The thrust of Allen Edmonds is "The Great American Shoe Company." Paul has demonstrated how much of AE contributes to the country both in jobs and supporting industries. Even if components come from somewhere else, they are all assembled in the US, and thus qualify as American to me. Show some respect.
     


  6. David Copeland

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    1) Paul, is this the only forum you participate on? And is this the only thread/topic you can be found in?

    I remain a devoted customer with AE, starting many years ago when I made my first purchase at Nordstroms for a perfect fit. But with last night's purchase at your web site, I was asked to complete an online AE survey, in which it asked for improvements. The main improvement I listed was the ability to interact with AE (either at the AE site or here) so that we can pose questions about AE products, services, maintenance, and styles without going through the email or phone method.

    2) I did not know about the DR line you offer, so I took a peek just now and was AMAZED to see a DR shoe design that I can no longer get (the Sanford) titled "The Oxford". But when I clicked the DR oxford, I was dismayed to see the shoe has rubber tires on the soles (which probably serves a great need for those who wish it). I would have snapped them up if they had the traditional famous leather AE soles and heal - but it was not to be. And the Strand Last is quite different than the Sanford Last. (When my Sanfords needed replacement and AE no longer offered the Sanford, I was sold a Lexington - which I have grown to dislike over the years).

    Your AE website still carries the AE official review on the Sanford (which confuses me even more in that - if the Sanford was so popular in sales, then why discontinue it?):

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    "Sanford - Cap-toe Lace-up Oxford Men's Dress Shoes by Allen Edmonds.

    "This shoe is a closeout style, and is therefore limited to the sizes and widths that are currently available online.

    "Believe it or not, once and a while even we make mistakes - like discontinuing this shoe after offering it for more than 15 years. But thanks to our loyal customers, who asked for its return more than any other shoe, we brought back this classic in 2010 and now it is more popular than ever.

    "The high demand is no doubt a result of combining its more versitile blucher style with the business-ready brogue detail and a dressed up cap-toe. Comfort also plays a big role in its success given that we designed this model to fit a little bit wider through the ball of the foot - meaning the Sanford ideally suits broader feet or ones with higher insteps or arches.

    "So there you have it: versatile style plus comfort equals a shoe that is close to perfect, even if we aren't. Click any link below to view similar styles: Leather sole men's lace-up oxford dress shoes Cap-toe blucher with brogue perforations and medallion Part of the ' Timeless Classics Collection' of premium men's shoes Lined premium calfskin leather upper Single oak leather sole 360 degree Goodyear welted construction."

    3) With the much talked about Saphir polish and maintenance products (using mink oil and other outstanding ingredients to get a far more superior masked shoe shine to return the look of the shoes to the original out-of-the-box quality), will AE be considering upgrading their polish products in this regard? (When I called AE support they knew nothing about the Saphir line, even though it is becoming quite the recommended product above all else)

    Thank you for serving us as the CEO for Allen Edmonds, which carries the weight of many considerations,

    David Copeland
     
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  7. ClambakeSkate

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    To your point #1, they do have a Live Chat option on their website that I've used in the past when waiting for a pair of shoes to be delivered and it was very helpful...
     


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    Rhetoric? OK lets deal with some facts then. The only reason you came over here to start with is someone posted on the Alden thread that AE had a selection of suede shoes more reasonably priced than Alden which are $500. So you and several others came to the AE Appreciation thread, and several have stayed and are looking at other AE offerings. Which I think is great. You picked up a pair for ~$200 IIRC and said you get what you pay for. No you got more than you paid for.

    Paul has said before that he does not view Alden as a competitor but the made in China square toed bicycle shoes as his competitor. That is the market he is after. And he feels that most Americans are willing to pay up to $150 more for a made in American shoe. He has also expanded the company and the offerings to attract the younger generation which I have a feeling is someone like yourself. In the process he has created more jobs for Americans.

    When I retired from the military I spent the first 5 years in the manufacturing vertical doing business process workflow improvement consulting. I have a pretty good idea of what he has had to go through to do all that he has done. And to offer you those suede shoes that you picked up at a fraction of the cost of those Aldens that you didn’t want to spend $500 on. And I’d like to add that Allen Edmonds is the only high end American shoe company to offer their shoes to the military through the Army and Air Force Exchange System.

    While I was active duty if I thought one of my men wasn’t putting out 110% I would ask them “What have you done for my country today”. Once I retired from the military I lost the right to say that to any man. But I can tell you that is one question I would never have to ask the CEO of AE. He is doing and has done more than most.
     


  9. phototristan

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    1. It is rhetoric. Just be glad I didn't call it "BS" or something.

    2. Huh? I've been here in this thread for years. Do a search or something.
     
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  10. AmericanGent

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    Can we please move on???

    While Paul may be duty-bound to engage Mediahound the rest of us can just ignore his posts.
     


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    can't someone ban MH for being an inconsiderate asshole?

    ps please pardon my French, but if the shoe fits...
     
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  12. wdahab

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    Paul,

    I would say that I reasonably differ with this assessment. I own tons of AEs, but I think that the question is whether the step that is being done in the DR is a significant part of the construction or not. Does the rubber for the heel or the leather have to be made in the US? No.

    In this case, though, the part being done in the DR *is* very important. We're talking about intricately designed, brogued, neatly stitched shoes. Now, the DR factory, I gather, does a very fine job of this, and I love my AEs (most in seconds quality) and I think the value trade-off is absolutely acceptable for AE, on a corporate level and a quality level. No complaints from me on the actual decision to do this. But that is a very significant step being done in the DR, even if they're not remotely close to being wearable. If you watch AE videos, they focus on the skilled workers who are looking at the leather, choosing prime pieces, cutting them, perfing/brogue-ing them, and sewing them together into an upper. In fact, when people on this forum complain about problems with the size of the caps, mismatched caps, mismatched leather colors, gouges, slices, missed-stitches, blotches, etc., these are all this portion of the construction. Now I don't think these problems are too noticeable. But this potentially DR-produced step is a *huge* part of the process. I don't know how you can reasonably state that this is a minor part of their construction, especially since you play up how important it is in your promotional videos. From most consumers points of view, they are looking at detailing, stitching and beauty in their shoe.

    I'd say this is akin to a bike manufacturer making the gears and frame in another country, and then saying it's not even close to being rideable until they put on wheels, a chain and handle bars in the US. All while saying "our frames and gears are expertly crafted, hand selected, and utterly insignificant to the construction of a bicycle." I do *not* consider that bike to be made in the USA.

    I don't consider a pair of brogued wingtips that had their uppers made in the DR to be made in the USA. I do consider AE as a great american company, with top notch support, great prices and wonderful construction. I will still buy AEs as high quality shoes. But the place of construction is, in my opinion, *not* properly represented.

    Added: Paul's response on this thread read like a marketing statement. One line dismissing the question, one stating that this part of the construction is insignificant, and then paragraphs pitching the golf line, the march madness webgem, locations of their stores, US Presidents, patriotism and the can-do spirit of American industrialism. He defended the use of the Made in Italy shoes, and the labeled "Made in DR "shoes. But he ignored the central question of whether the Made in USA shoes should be considered Made in USA. He is friendly, responsive, has great product initiatives, and also the CEO of a major company. He has responsibilities, and I'd be surprised if he gave a response that actually addressed a controversial question such as this.
     
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    Well said.
     


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    I do not as yet own any AE shoes.

    I have enjoyed reading this thread at length, and as a result have decided to make it a point to buy these shoes in the near future based on aesthetics, quality, and value.


    *Note to mediahound- it IS an Allen Edmonds APPRECIATION thread, not a political/socio-economic ethics debate- so I am pretty sure most people reading this would appreciate it if you would piss off. Start another thread, or just take it outside...
     


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