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I finally got to wear my web gem Neumoks today!!
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I however disagree that: "They divulge full information and are wholly upfront about this in all their materials."
Mediahound, you caught me. I wrote that statement before I went back to their website to see what they say there. I was aware of the quote cited by Frogwash, however, and I had in my mind that they have been open about the situation. Also, whether correctly or not, I have taken the "made of fine imported leather" printed prominently inside every shoe to include assembled uppers from the DR. I want to be careful to not sound like an AE cheerleader here, but I want to explain why you are getting the reaction you have to your statements. You are technically correct. Some portion of Allen Edmonds' shoes are made in the DR, and it is not prominently disclosed on their website, although as I said above, it could be taken to be disclosed inside the shoe. The issue I had with your initial post - and still disagree with you on - is the alarmist tone of your statements. First, as I said, this is old news here. I don't mean this to be flippant; rather that this is a forum of Allen Edmonds enthusiasts (of which you are one), and this topic has been discussed several times before. People here already know about this and have already decided how they feel about it. Your other point is the use of the tagline "The Great Shoe American Shoe Company", which you find to be disingenuous. Again, I think this is a technical argument, and most have already decided what they feel. Now, you are free to "boycott" AE if you choose, and to find another shoe manufacturer whose marketing and production you agree with (and in fact, there was a post earlier of someone who implied that they would stop buying AE based on your posts). But here are the reasons why I think people are sticking with AE: - Obviously, they are not breaking any laws. The content of their shoes labeled Made in the USA meet requirements - Other "American" companies have a portion of their products made outside the US. The best example might be the auto industry. No car is made of 100% sourced in the USA components - in fact, most are barely over 50%, and this includes our "Great American" auto companies Chrysler (talk about some rah-rah patriotic advertising lately!), GM, and Ford. In fact, Honda, Toyota, and others have Made in the USA cars. Old news, right? - The materials used in fine shoes are often sourced elsewhere, including the main material, leather. This is usually regarded as a plus, as someone stated earlier. And it works the other way, too - C&J, a fine "Made in England" shoe maker, uses Horween shell from Chicago. Should they skimp on their shell, because it has to be made in the UK from UK-raised cows? And in this case, AE clearly states that they use imported leather. --- And actually, here is a funny exception: My Horween shell shoes have the same "made of fine imported leather" stamp on them. However, the Horween shell is American. The soles are German. Someone could easily take this statement to mean that the entire shoe is made of imported leather, which would be incorrect. - There is a realism from people that this situation is a compromise to keep the price of AE's shoes in the $300 range. If there were no DR factory and everything had to made in the US, then we all assume prices would go up. - Their CEO has been forthcoming with the DR production in interviews, and so that has satisfied many people here. I think your issue is really with the "Great American Shoe Company" moniker. I think that has different interpretations for people, and you are free to take is as you choose. My point was simply that you have come in here with breaking news, gotten everyone excited, and then told us all something we have already known and processed.Unbelievable. You're quoting someone else's inaccurate paraphrasing as your "source"? Why don't you go read Mr. Grangaard's response instead of continuing with your and others' bullshit. Production does NOT move back and forth between here and there. http://www.styleforum.net/t/228354/...-in-the-dominican-republic/30_30#post_5390098
Sorry about that fellas! My phone went nuts!!
just noticed the 2013 catalog is up
http://www.allenedmondsdigital.com/publication?i=151736
This is not nitpicking. The Amok uppers are cut and sewn not in the USA.
Further, AE has a duplicate plant in the DR and shifts production on 'Made in USA' shoes there at any time. But the Amoks even say 'Made from fine imported leather' on them.
Mediahound, you caught me. I wrote that statement before I went back to their website to see what they say there. I was aware of the quote cited by Frogwash, however, and I had in my mind that they have been open about the situation. Also, whether correctly or not, I have taken the "made of fine imported leather" printed prominently inside every shoe to include assembled uppers from the DR.
I want to be careful to not sound like an AE cheerleader here, but I want to explain why you are getting the reaction you have to your statements.
You are technically correct. Some portion of Allen Edmonds' shoes are made in the DR, and it is not prominently disclosed on their website, although as I said above, it could be taken to be disclosed inside the shoe. The issue I had with your initial post - and still disagree with you on - is the alarmist tone of your statements. First, as I said, this is old news here. I don't mean this to be flippant; rather that this is a forum of Allen Edmonds enthusiasts (of which you are one), and this topic has been discussed several times before. People here already know about this and have already decided how they feel about it.
Your other point is the use of the tagline "The Great Shoe American Shoe Company", which you find to be disingenuous. Again, I think this is a technical argument, and most have already decided what they feel.
Now, you are free to "boycott" AE if you choose, and to find another shoe manufacturer whose marketing and production you agree with (and in fact, there was a post earlier of someone who implied that they would stop buying AE based on your posts).
But here are the reasons why I think people are sticking with AE:
- Obviously, they are not breaking any laws. The content of their shoes labeled Made in the USA meet requirements
- Other "American" companies have a portion of their products made outside the US. The best example might be the auto industry. No car is made of 100% sourced in the USA components - in fact, most are barely over 50%, and this includes our "Great American" auto companies Chrysler (talk about some rah-rah patriotic advertising lately!), GM, and Ford. In fact, Honda, Toyota, and others have Made in the USA cars. Old news, right?
- The materials used in fine shoes are often sourced elsewhere, including the main material, leather. This is usually regarded as a plus, as someone stated earlier. And it works the other way, too - C&J, a fine "Made in England" shoe maker, uses Horween shell from Chicago. Should they skimp on their shell, because it has to be made in the UK from UK-raised cows? And in this case, AE clearly states that they use imported leather.
--- And actually, here is a funny exception: My Horween shell shoes have the same "made of fine imported leather" stamp on them. However, the Horween shell is American. The soles are German. Someone could easily take this statement to mean that the entire shoe is made of imported leather, which would be incorrect.
- There is a realism from people that this situation is a compromise to keep the price of AE's shoes in the $300 range. If there were no DR factory and everything had to made in the US, then we all assume prices would go up.
- Their CEO has been forthcoming with the DR production in interviews, and so that has satisfied many people here.
I think your issue is really with the "Great American Shoe Company" moniker. I think that has different interpretations for people, and you are free to take is as you choose. My point was simply that you have come in here with breaking news, gotten everyone excited, and then told us all something we have already known and processed.
I wear 9D in the Park Aves, should I size one width up to a 9E for the Strands?
Check these guys out. A little pricey, no?
No sign of new dress boots
You're probably right about it looking better when you don't look straight down at them. I do admire the "black jelly bean" color as someone here had described it. Good thing shell is water resistant; these will upgrade my Rockports as my go-to rain shoes.Talking black PTBs in general, if you don't feel a black PTB is 'cool' check out this pic of Leonardo Dicaprio wearing his to help convince you -
They're very cool in a retro/beatnik type of way and can be worn casually, or dressed up with a suite equally well so they are very versatile. They may not look the best when you yourself are looking straight down on them, but to others, the profile is quite attractive.