Yes I agree that they are. And are common enough that many seem to think that they are the only AE shoe that has bowing issues. A conservative dress shoe should not bring attention to itself for those situations where the focus should be somewhere else IMO. Back in Oct. xxx posted: And it also applies when sitting in some business situations. You don't see any flashy shoes in those meeting rooms. You said it perfectly, it is exactly the shoe it was designed to be. I LOVE the color of your walnut shell! Nicely done. Very well said and I was disappointed that they are made in the DR also. Filson moved its boot production to DR a few years ago then a couple of months ago moved it back to the US. Although they contract it out (always have) it is back to US manufacturing. And discontinued the made in China passage luggage line, they were taking a lot of heat for both. It made enough impact on me that today I purchased another Filson item the wheeled carry on. Although I blame JermynStreet for posting a picture of his when wearing burgundy shell patriots causing the start of this purchase. Filson did learn, fingers crossed about AE. And now China? I hope what is made in China for AE stays in China. It is common in manufacturing and even BMW built a plant in Greenville, SC for the same reason.